Into the Sewer: the American right wing, 2011

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That guys got a gun! ...Come on! (motions towards gunman)

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link

is that James Brolin doing Reagan's voice?

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2011 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link

they don't do reagan's face any favors, sheesh

iatee, Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link

really can't believe that's real and not an elaborate TV Funhouse hoax, but there's flash Huckabee welcoming me to the website...

herbal bert (herb albert), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

totally saying to my next batshit relative "if we ever forget that we are one nation under god, then we will be one nation gone under"

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link

'We' didn't start out as one nation under God; that's all I have to tell these historically impaired people besides HERE'S AN F ON THE TEST.

Oh, and DISCO

that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

From the site: "We recognize and celebrate faith, religion and the role of God in America's founding and making our country the greatest place on Earth"

is pretty close to

(Hitler, from this show) "Germany has been ordained by GOD to rule za world!"

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Kinder, küche, kirche IOW.

that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

excerpt from Treaty of Tripoli - signed June 10, 1797

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link

What does it mean that Learn Our History is “unbiased”?

Learn Our History’s products have been developed to correct the “blame America first” attitude prevalent in today’s teaching. While we recognize that America is not perfect and has never been perfect we celebrate our incredible history with a balanced account of the events that created this great nation. We don’t feel bad about the great things America has achieved – we celebrate our success!

so basically it means that it's totally biased

¶_¶ (absolutely clean glasses), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPND6NYBFb8

gr8080, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

But what about when you shoot at the walls of heartache?

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

i know he declared this week but let's keep all newt-ery in this thread, can we?

this is like exactly what the TPM enterprise is for, imo

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2011/05/a-guide-to-the-complete-works-of-newt-gingrich-novelist.php?img=1

Of the eight novels already published, three, including the first, "1945," are alternative histories set in the World War II era. Three others are alternate histories set during the Civil War. And the two most recently published works dramatize the events of the Revolutionary War. Armed with an e-reader, TPM took a look at Newt's novels this week. Here is our report.

goole, Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/business/media/16carr.html

matt drudge is basically the king of the right-wing sewer

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link

new gingrich - paul ryan ~ fite!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/us/politics/16gingrich.html?ref=politics

“I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering,” he said. “I don’t think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate.”

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link

rmde

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

also @ max's link: jfc

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i like david carr but i dont really get why he was giving drudge such a bj there

i mean i "get" it i just wish he wouldnt

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

oh no guys, Trump is OUT!

underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link

never fear, you guys will never run out of sideshows

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

ya thank god you're not leaving us

iatee, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

btw guys I am also formally announcing today that I am not running for the GOP nomination for president in 2012.

I know there's been a lot of speculation out there, just wanted to put that to rest.

underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link

x-post -

David Carr should have gotten a quote from Media matters re false Drudge claims

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

mediamatters.org

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/converting-mamet_561048.html?page=3

ugh

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

haha yeah

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

And the essays in The Secret Knowledge do occasionally have the tone of a man locked alone in an office, talking to himself. “I was a monomaniac,” he said of the period he was writing the book. “Crazed.”

The prose moves very fast, and some of the arguments seem to be missing a few essential steps; premises rocket to conclusions on the strength of sheer outrage. The conversion is complete: This is not a book by the same man who told Charlie Rose he didn’t want to impose his political views on anybody. At some moments—as when he blithely announces that the earth is cooling not warming, QED—you wonder whether maybe he isn’t in danger of exchanging one herd for another. He told me he doesn’t read political blogs or magazines. “I drive around and listen to the talk show guys,” he said. “Beck, Prager, Hugh Hewitt, Michael Medved.”

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

david mamet is such a dick.

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

honestly i'm surprised that this happened... now. didn't he write a first-person version of this 'conversion' somewhere like 6 years ago??

and honestly i was surprised even then. when i was intro'd to mamet via glengarry and oleanna i figured the guy was a rightist anyway

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i would never have called him a liberal

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

the country in which he actually lived, where people interacted smoothly in the marketplace to their mutual benefit

really, now?

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Higher ed, he said, was an elaborate scheme to deprive young people of their freedom of thought. He compared four years of college to a lab experiment in which a rat is trained to pull a lever for a pellet of food. A student recites some bit of received and unexamined wisdom—“Thomas Jefferson: slave owner, adulterer, pull the lever”—and is rewarded with his pellet: a grade, a degree, and ultimately a lifelong membership in a tribe of people educated to see the world in the same way.

like scocca points out, i dont know that i want to be a member of a tribe that doesnt think thomas jefferson was a slaveowner

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

haha part of why i hate mamet is he came to speak at my college and gave this very "wake up, sheeple!" talk about how college is dumb and how much smarter he was than all of us and it was very offputting.

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

ronin is so good though

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

He compared four years of college to a lab experiment in which a rat is trained to pull a lever for a pellet of food.

he's been using this line for over a decade at this point

xp i love a lot of mamet movies; i was kind of heartbroken when i went to that talk

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

feel like my previous dismissal of Mamet has now been retroactively justified

underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

ronin is so good though

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, May 16, 2011 3:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

he's so good at situations where grumpy men know how to do stuff

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

his movies without real female characters are less uh problematic

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

oleanna is a real p.o.s.

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

goole otm

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

the plays get more into the reason why they bother, which is that women are cunts.

spartan is good, redbelt is good... state & main? intolerable. low pigeon content is key to good mamet in this century.

xps lol

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i've always assumed oleanna would infuriate me.

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't really remember it tbh! it was sort of like 'disclosure' iirc, only with trademark weird halting dialogue.

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

The play premiered in May 1992 in Cambridge, Massachusetts as the first production of Mamet's new Back Bay Theater Company.[3] The premiere featured William H. Macy as John, a "smug, pompous, insufferable man whose power over academic lives he unconsciously abuses."[3] Rebecca Pidgeon played the female lead, Carol, described by one critic as, "Mamet's most fully realized female character, ...a mousy, confused cipher" whose failure to comprehend concepts and precepts presented in John's class motivated her appeal for personal instruction.[3] The part of Carol is said to have been written for Pidgeon.[3]

In October, a year after the Anita Hill - Clarence Thomas hearings[1] which "crystallized and concretized"[3] Mamet's dramatization, it appeared off-Broadway at New York City's Orpheum Theatre, with Macy and Pidgeon reprising their roles. The production included a rewritten third scene.[3] Critic Frank Rich provides a summary of the play in his review of the off-Broadway production:

goole, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Mamet's most fully realized female character, ...a mousy, confused cipher

okay that's gold

horseshoe, Monday, 16 May 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

oleanna is one of those... "we report... you decide" plays that "forces you to question the nature of sexual harassment" or whatever, except it doesnt, because none of the characters are real people

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

and the movie is just horrible

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

not at all shocking that this dude is a conservative, imo. thought i'd seen a decent number of his films but realized it's just wag the dog (don't remember it that well), the edge (BAD ASS), heist (ok i thought, nothing great), ronin (GOAT), and spartan (incomprehensible at the time of viewing due to [redacted], so i won't pass judgement).

which, maybe wag the dog aside, are all bona fide dude films. sort of assumed that if someone was v serious about making quality spy flicks (or novels or w/e, a la clancy), that meant that they were de facto libertarians if not outright conservatives. this is stuff made for if not exclusively consumed by middle-aged men who enjoy intelligence with their violence.

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

or: "grumpy men know how to do stuff

― goole, Monday, May 16, 2011 3:07 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark"

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link


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