a 30 for 30 thread

all student athletes should be paid a flat fee across the board with a structured bonus schedule for personal and team achievements. doesn't have to be a ton of cash but players should absolutely receive compensation and better players should receive better compensation. It can be regulated by the NCAA and flat across the board so big colleges don't get a leg up. But that would harpoon colleges that are already paying their players and would screw up some legacies so

the new batch of docs

Tuesday, Sept. 27, 8 p.m. – Catching Hell (Alex Gibney/Gary Cohen) *120 minutes
Tuesday, Oct. 4, 8 p.m. – Renée (Eric Drath) *90 minutes
Tuesday, Oct. 11, 8 pm. – The Dotted Line (Morgan Spurlock/Jeremy Chilnick)
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8 p.m. – Unguarded (Jonathan Hock/Philip Aromando)
Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8 p.m. –The Real Rocky (Jeff Feuerzeig/Mike Tollin)
Tuesday, Nov. 1, 8 p.m. – Charismatic (Steve Michaels/Jonathan Koch)
Tuesday, Nov. 8, 8 p.m. – Roll Tide/War Eagle (Martin Khodabakhshian)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/07/27/espn-films-announces-tv-schedule-for-new-documentaries/99047/

Catching Hell is the Bartman one, right?

o man is the charismatic one on the horse?

yes & yes

awesome awesome awesome
really looking forward to these.

Looking forward to all of them, but especially the last one for obvs reasons. SWEET HOME ALABAMMY!

:D

this bartman 1 kinda sucks

at least these aspie lawyers who wrote the "bartman report" (lol) probably really like baseball; gibney does not seem like an actual fan, not that it matters

u kinda need da bartman 2 talk 2 make this worthwhile imo

aw that's too bad tho i guess i don't feel bad about forgetting to dvr it.

i missed the first hour

buckner stuff was pretty unnecessary

the aspie attorneys should have been the whole show.

in retrospect, unless you're getting bartman or his family on camera, it's prob hard to do the story w/o it feeling a bit repetitive

altho the stuff w/ the security guard was interesting

I missed it, and i dont have DVR anymore cuz im in the process of moving to Atlanta. Im sure they'll replay it.

My brief thoughts on the Bartman doc:

Cubs fans are savages.

We have met the enemy, and he is us

Renee doc was pretty interesting. I didn't know much about that story.

It was really depressing. She seems to regret the sex change

I think it's more that she wishes it didn't have to happen. It was inevitable, but still fucked a lot of things up.

charismatic one was good. i wonder what poster dmr thought of it

This documentary on Scott Hall is pretty sad.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904

Anybody see the Wepner one? I liked it, but they really didnt need to connect it with "Rocky" so much. the story stands on its own. And the video of him and Ali on the Mike Douglas show and Ali telling Douglas that Wepner called him a n----r, is mindblowing.

some of the effects like when they insert spurting blood out of a still photograph is dumb but i guess you work w/ what you have

I thought Wepner was dead for some reason. But I think I got him mixed up with Jerry Quarry.

didnt realize the story is also gonna be a biopic, notably w/ a writing credit by jerry stahl

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932720/

so can anyone who followed college bball in the mid 90s tell me if chris herren was actually a thing? i had never heard of this guy but he was def from the period when i was paying the least attention.

lol @ harvey updykes hat collection. i enjoy thinking abt how he reacted 2 their loss 2 lsu last wk

Having been a Bama fan my entire life, I was mildly irritated at some of the play calls. Updyke is the type of fan who was probably calling for Saban's head (those people were out there!).

I realize that doc had an objective, and it was to play up the die hard nutso fan aspect, but there are many more reasonable, agreeable fans of both teams all over the state and the whole southeast. Finebaum's radio show is to Alabama sports what Glenn Beck's show is to political discussion.

so can anyone who followed college bball in the mid 90s tell me if chris herren was actually a thing? i had never heard of this guy but he was def from the period when i was paying the least attention.

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:29 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes

so what are the best of these?

My top ten of those that's I've seen:

1. The Two Escobars
2. June 17, 1994
3. The Best That Never Was
4. The U
5. Once Brothers
6. Muhammad and Larry
7. The Band that Wouldn't Die
8. Renée
9. No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson
10. The Fab Five

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/espn-doubles-up-on-30-for-30-documentary-series/

YAY

My faves of these in order:
The Two Escobars
The Best That Never Was
Without Bias
Run Ricky Run
Marion Jones: Press Pause
Once Brothers
Pony Excess
The Fab Five
June 17, 1994
No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson
Tim Richmond: to the Limit
The Birth of Big Air
Little Big Men
Muhammad and Larry
Winning Time: Reggie Miller v The Knicks
Into the Wind
Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?
Guru of Go
Unmatched
Jordan Rides the Bus
Four Days in October
The 16th Man
Fernando Nation
Silly Little Game
The Legend of Jimmy The Greek

awwwwwweeeesome!!!!!

June 17 1994 keeps coming up in my mind every now and again, I can't get over how powerful that one was.
Once Brothers made me bawl so hard, but yeah Two Escobars was just wow. And that Dupree one was fantastic.

I was disappointed with Unmatched. Such a good story but they shot it like an Oprah special in that stupid beach house with their sweaters tied around their necks, it was like frickin Waiting to Exhale or something. Wished it had been more along the lines of the Fire and Ice, Borg/McEnroe doc on HBO.

I hope they do some more tennis ones.

ESPN had a big marathon going on one of the networks this evening and I caught the ones on Marcus DuPree and the U. The DuPree one was excellent and the one on the U pretty good.

We're back baby!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEGUHdRW0CA
"Broke" Billy Corben October 2, 2012
The documentary explores the road to fortune in sports and the eventual detours to bankruptcy, as experienced by top athletes including Bernie Kosar, Andrew Rison and Cliff Floyd.
Note: This film premiered at the the Tribeca Film Festival.

"9.79*" Daniel Gordon October 9, 2012
The 100-meter men's final at the 1988 Seoul Games was the fastest sprint in Olympic history. But within 48 hours, gold medalist Ben Johnson had tested positive for anabolic steroids and scandal trumped thrilling as the way to describe the race. More than two decades later, that race still haunts the eight men who took part and the film will take a look at what brought the men to the starting line and what happened to them since.

"There's No Place Like Home" Maura Mandt and Josh Swade October 16, 2012
On December 10, 2010, Sotheby’s auctioned off the most important historical document in sports history: James Naismith's original rules of basketball. There’s No Place Like Home is the story of one fan’s obsessive quest to win the artifact at auction and bring the rules "home" to Lawrence, Kansas, where Naismith coached and taught for more than 40 years.

"Benji" Coodie and Chike October 23, 2012
In 1984, 17-year-old Ben Wilson was a symbol of everything promising about Chicago: a beloved, sweet-natured youngster from the city's fabled South Side, and America's most talented basketball prospect. His senseless murder the day before his senior season sent ripples through Chicago and the nation.(78 minutes in length)
Note: This film premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival.

"Ghosts of Ole Miss" Fritz Mitchell October 30, 2012
In 1962, the University of Mississippi campus erupted in violence over integration and swelled with pride over an unbeaten football team. Mississippi native Wright Thompson explores the tumultuous events that continue to shape the state 50 years later.

"You Don't Know Bo" Michael Bonfiglio December 8, 2012
Bo Jackson hit 500 ft. home runs, ran over linebackers, and—for a short period—he was the best athlete we had ever seen. You Don’t Know Bo takes a closer look at the man and marketing campaign that shaped his legacy. More than 20 years later, myths and legends still surround the famously press shy athlere, and his impossible feats still capture our collective imagination.

I'm moving this thread to ILE now; not really just ilnfl specific

Yeah, I just saw this on ile and I was all "what is going on? the world is ending!"

But okay, you just moved it. No probs.

I've watched three now.

Once Brothers had a very compelling story, but I thought it was a little stiltedly directed. I also found it hard to read Vlade... I could tell that he is now genuinely sorry to have been separated for so many years from his former teammates, but he seems maybe a bit tone deaf (esp. at the time) to the fact to the pressures this war put they and their families under. And while Vlade's explanation now about the flag thing makes some sense it's not clear how contrite he was at the time (and frankly given the events that were going on at that point I think he'd have to be really really contrite to make a difference). Also it's not clear what kind of public statements Vlade made about the war at the time either. Anyway still good, but definitely felt it could have been stronger.

The Allen Iverson Trial I really liked (I guess it might be a little dry for some folks. It manages the difficult feat of humanizing Iverson while at the same time not making him an object of pity (or even particularly likeable) which I think is a real trick. And the stuff on the trial is uniformly well done. Very honest filmmaking.

Birth of Big Air was definitely the lightest of the three and the thing that most stuck with me was how I felt incredibly sorry for Matt's wife. I also wondered how badly in debt this guy was from all his medical bills.

Pony Excess is worth watching for the Eric Dickerson content alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f7MHvDgNMc

<3

tonight

so psyched

wtf this is like a vh1 show

Well...yeah.

yeah i didn't really dig the format

The reveal of braces on Carl Lewis's teeth after the 1987 World Championships is one of my favorite things from this series ever.