US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

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lol

I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

hands up anyone who didn't see that coming

I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link

can i just reiterate that i love that we refer to scott brown as "president brown"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 23 May 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Breaking: Obama is currently drinking a pint of Guinness

Number None, Monday, 23 May 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

In his non-Kenyan homeland (mother's side)!

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 May 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Michelle had a half.

delivers maximum wtf per cubic second (suzy), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Frugal guy Newt and his now-paid off debt to Tiffany's:

I mean, it's very odd to me that someone would run up a half-million dollars bill at a jewelry store," Schieffer said.

"Go talk to Tiffany's," Gingrich responded. "All I'm telling you is, we are very frugal. We in fact live within our budget. We owe nothing."

"What did you buy?" Schieffer asked.

"We owe nothing," Gingrich replied. "It's my private life.

"I understand that. You're running for president - you're going to be the guy in charge of the Treasury Department. It just sticks out like a sore thumb," Schieffer said.

"I'm a guy running for president who pays all of his bills, and after-tax income at no cost to the taxpayer, and who currently owes nothing except one rental property in Wisconsin. I am debt-free. If the U.S. government was as debt-free as I am, everybody in America would be celebrating.

"I think I have proven I can manage money," Gingrich continued. "As a small businessman I run four small businesses. They have been profitable. They've employed people. This is the opposite of the Obama model. So as a private citizen who has done well, I think I'm allowed to pick and choose what I prefer doing."

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 May 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

how embarrassing it will be when it is revealed that the bill isn't to Tiffany and Company, but instead the pop sing Tiffany, who was paid half a million dollars to be on retainer to sing "Could've Been" to Newt when he has nightmares

I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link

"As a small businessman I run four small businesses, now granted that pales in comparison to being the CEO of a third-rate pizza chain with a name that sounds like a place that a Kevin James character would work at, but it is something."

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 May 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link

some hard hitting questions there

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link

how embarrassing it will be when it is revealed that the bill isn't to Tiffany and Company, but instead the pop sing Tiffany, who was paid half a million dollars to be on retainer to sing "Could've Been" to Newt when he has nightmares

You got it wrong – he paid Tiffany to retitle "I Saw Him Standing There" correctly.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 May 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link

live by the cheap gotcha smear, die by the cheap gotcha smear. if it had been any other politician being ambushed by unpaid bills, i might have some sympathy. but since Gingrich raised these sorts of tactics to an art form, i can only laugh that he's getting a taste of his own medicine.

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Monday, 23 May 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link

not that it will matter, anyway. Gingrich won't be the next President, and he's had worse things revealed about his private life (e.g., he was the first politician i remember who argued that oral sex wasn't REALLY sex after someone caught him with his meat in some bimbo's mouth).

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Monday, 23 May 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link

As to his personal history, which includes multiple marriages and reports of infidelity, he said, “I’ve been very clear that I’ve made mistakes … I ask (voters) to look at who I am today.”

Gingrich added that he has cast so many votes, conducted so many interviews, and written so many articles and books (24, by his count) that he will no longer answer “gotcha” questions based on something he said or wrote in the past.

However he will continue to refer to Obama as the Kenyan food stamp president and will gladly discuss that.

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

so basically he is only going to talk to people who kiss his ass

I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link

he must know that if you start declaring what kind of things are ok to talk to you about, it means you're fucked, right? no? he's already done that a bunch recently? ok

goole, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

so basically he is only going to talk to people who kiss his ass

and taste his meat.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 May 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

lol that just reminds me of George Herbert/Ralph Vaughn Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx_JofSsZos&feature=related

I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link

not much makes me hopeful these days but did like this speech by John Kriesel, one of 4 MN republicans to vote against the noxious amendment to the MN constitution banning gay marriage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc4CTsws24o

Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I was v pleased with that

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Greenwald on the 74-8 cloture vote to extend the USA PATRIOT Act, and the odious Dianne Feinstein:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/23/bipartisanship/index.html

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

As the government comes closer and closer to the brink, its efforts to assert itself grow increasingly frenetic and exaggerated.

Regrettably, what lies on the other side will probably bear greater semblance to the Mexican drug lords than to anything any of us would consider to be civil order.

But this dynamic has become uncontrollable. The only question is not whether - but when.

—Diogenes
Read Diogenes's other letters

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

surely they're in the public domain by now

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

oh i forgot, mickey mouse.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

how can diogenes afford a computer

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link

He sells ounces of his cynicism on eBay.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Dennis Perrin bought enough to stuff Rush Limbaugh.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link

remember in ender's game when ender's sociopath brother took over the world by calling himself demosthenes on the internet

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Pawlenty, like Huntsman, is trying to distance himself from the past, and being called on it by bloggers

In 2006, Pawlenty wasn’t well liked by the far-right, as he defended big government, endorsed cap-and-trade, wanted to reimport prescription medication from Canada, and wanted officials to be more effective and aggressive in fighting the oil industry.

Everything he told Limbaugh yesterday, just like the new persona he’s struggling to adopt, just isn’t true.

And really, that’s just scratching the surface. Wonk Room ran a fact-check piece yesterday, noting seven obvious lies Pawlenty told yesterday, on issues ranging from health care on the nation’s finances. Similarly , the AP ran a similar piece, highlighting several more of the candidate’s falsehoods from yesterday.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_05/tim_pawlentys_version_of_the_t029786.php

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Hopefully Biden won't give away the farm in debt talks today:

As much as the Ryan budget was a catastrophic political mistake for House Republicans, these talks – particularly today’s focus – offers an opportunity for Ryan and the GOP to save face. If they get a budget deal, especially one with cuts to Medicare or Medicaid, they can credibly say that their boldness to talk frankly about entitlements ended up succeeding in chipping away at the problem. And Democrats could hardly position themselves as the defenders of Medicare if they enact a grand bargain that shifts cost-sharing onto seniors.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/24/biden-debt-limit-talks-today-to-cover-medicare-medicaid/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

aren't most farms in debt?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Not the corporate ones receiving government subsidies

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link

scott brown/kathy hochul 2012? bipartisan boogaloo?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-24/democrat-leads-in-poll-before-today-s-n-y-congress-election.html

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link

A Hochul victory would be “a major upheaval,” sending “a real message to the Republicans in Congress that the Medicare proposal is deadly,” Len Lenihan, the Erie County Democratic chairman, said in an interview

It takes a fear campaign on Medicare and a 3rd party Tea candidate for Dems to win in Republican districts like this one. And I hope Hochul does.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Tea party candidate.

Put the votes for the Tea party candidate and the Republican together and the Dem loses (Anti-Ryan medicare strategy or not)

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link

yes it's very funny how non-binary parties work

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

A Hochul victory would be “a major upheaval,” sending “a real message to the Republicans in Congress that the Medicare proposal is deadly,” Len Lenihan, the Erie County Democratic chairman, said in an interview

It takes a fear campaign on Medicare and a 3rd party Tea candidate for Dems to win in Republican districts like this one. And I hope Hochul does.

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:15 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

after which Obama may STILL put Medicare on the table.

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Democrats could hardly position themselves as the defenders of Medicare if they enact a grand bargain that shifts cost-sharing onto seniors.

Bingo! Now just sit back and watch it happen, folks.

Aimless, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think we want to run so far away from ryan's slash-and-burn plan that we start saying medicare cost growth isn't a problem. it would outrun even clinton and (to my knowledge) pre-reagan tax regimes.

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Any plan that isn't as radical as the Ryan plan will belong exclusively to the Democrats, politically speaking, because the Republicans identified themselves with the Ryan plan. The Ryan plan will not happen, so they will not pay a political price for embracing it. otoh, the compromise plan will happen, and the entire political price among disgruntled seniors will be paid by the Dems. This is how it works out IRL.

Aimless, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Many Washington observers expect that Biden and other negotiators in the White House-led talks will work right up to the Aug. 2 deadline. Some Republicans have suggested that markets would not necessarily be upset if they blow past it.

I guess Biden and Obama won't throw Congressional Democrats under the bus (a different cliche than I used earlier!)until August. It would be nice if Reid and others objected, but I'm not counting on it. Obama and the Dems should just stick with the already set out Dems Medicare proposal, but that's not their style.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

well here's something: all the "courageous" governors who have slashed "spending" may be hitting a wall pretty quick

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/88874/the-hidden-tradeoffs-gop-candidates

details from MN, NJ, TX, VA, IN. basically, fiscal discipline is a mirage, and massive property tax hikes from starving localities aren't. great job!

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Some Republicans have suggested that markets would not necessarily be upset if they blow past it.

very delicate journalistic style here

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link

fiscal discipline is a mirage, and massive property tax hikes from starving localities aren't

Yeah, this is what I was saying about Pawlenty's "no tax increase" smoke and mirrors on the MN thread: while the value of my home plummeted in the last few years, my property taxes kept going up. I don't why it's headlined "hidden tradeoffs" though, it's painfully obvious.

The hoppiest hop hopper now with xtra hops (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RET2Z5AVJ8A

her face!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

(at 1:03 when he calls her a liar)

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

oh god

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Elijah Cummings (D-MD): Ohhhhhhh

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

In addition, Republicans criticized Warren and the CFPB for what they saw as discrepancies between the agency and the rest of the federal government. Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R-NY), for example, pointed out the disparate salaries of bank regulators when compared to other federal workers, "The starting salary is $70,000, top salary is $140,000. Why are these folks getting paid much more than someone else in the federal government?" Warren tried to explain the rationale behind the pay scale -- regulatory agencies need to be competitive with banks to recruit the best talent -- but Buerkle wouldn't have it, and offered vague insinuations of misconduct as a response, "This is the government, not the private sector, and this regulatory agency needs to answer for a huge disparity regarding the federal jobs and these positions."

http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=05&year=2011&base_name=whos_afraid_of_elizabeth_warre

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link


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