part of me wonders if this was the plan all along? the first one was not really a bad movie, but it's not really shocking or anything past the original concept, even kind of boring, and I felt like Six had more talent than what he displayed in the movie. right from the start he was saying things like "wait till you see the sequel"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
well... yeah, clearly THIS is the movie dude really wanted to make
I think it is perfectly legitimate to question whether it is actually worth watching
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
things i have now read: summaries of 'a serbian film', 'grotesque', 'martyrs'
feeling a little less glad to be alive, basically, for the effort
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
what other shock movies are there that transcend the horror genre
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
off the top of my head I would say salo and sweet movie are two I know but I don't know how they compare to serbian film
things i have now read: summaries of 'a serbian film', 'grotesque', 'martyrs'feeling a little less glad to be alive, basically, for the effort
yeah that is precisely why I mostly avoid modern horror movies; I thought the plot synopsis of Audition was too far, and this shit stampedes WAAAAAY past that line
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
all the people I know who went and saw serbian film are huge passolini fans
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
okay just read about "Sweet Movie" and... what the hell
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
poop will never not be gross
sweet movie is actually not bad at all except when they go into the documentary mode of studying that commune
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the director was saying that his entire crew almost mutiny'd because the people in that commune were so intense
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha after reading about all these movies, its kind of hilarious to see this re: Martyrs:
A US remake from the producers of Twilight is in the works.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Salo isn't half as bad as its reputation imo, and I don't think Pasolini's main aim was to gross out the kids.
― aka best bum of the o_O's (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Salo is a pretty funny movie come on now
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything it makes all the horrible shit the fascists do look totally mundane/boring
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I was about to say that it was boring yeah
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm actually kind of curious about how the plot of part ii works -- like, to me 'guy watches the first movie, attempts to actually make it work in real life (this does not work), jerks off to it' seems like such an obvious attack on people who actually enjoy the first film that the idea of anyone simply getting off on the second one is .. weird
that said ppl who are horror obsessives have far more complicated relationships with this sort of thing than simply getting off on it (or simply 'enjoying' it, i guess, for that matter)
the only person i know who has seen cannibal holocaust ritually burnt his copy afterwards
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=31162
We emailed Tom Six for a response to the BBFC's decision and received the following quote, which we present here in full. The censoring of the F-word, ironically, is Six's.
“Thank you BBFC for putting spoilers of my movie on your website and thank you for banning my film in this exceptional way. Apparently I made an horrific horror-film, but shouldn't a good horror film be horrific? My dear people it is a f****cking MOVIE. It is all fictional. Not real. It is all make-belief. It is art. Give people their own choice to watch it or not. If people can't handle or like my movies they just don't watch them. If people like my movies they have to be able to see it any time, anywhere also in the UK.”
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
SPOILERS
okay he's an idiot
If people like my movies they have to be able to see it any time, anywhere also in the UK.
lol infinity
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
the first one did make a big deal out of how the science was "medically sound" which I'm guessing Six doesn't believe but it's a big step towards the second one
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence): A US remake from the produces of Ramona and Beezus is in the works.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
re "A Serbian Film":
As he is dying, Vukmir praises Milos's actions, saying "that's cinema." Confronting the final bodyguard, Miloš knocks off his sunglasses and discovers that the man is missing an eye. He tries to shoot him but finds out that the gun is empty. Miloš jams his erect penis into the man's empty eye socket, killing him.[9]
^^ amazing
― LL Coolna (absolutely clean glasses), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
all the people I know who went and saw serbian film are huge passolini fans― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
not sure what we're supposed to do with this information
― an actual guy talking in an actual rhythm (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
/Salo/ isn't half as bad as its reputation imo, and I don't think Pasolini's main aim was to gross out the kids.
Yeah, I was kind of surprised at how... I don't want to say "tame" because fascists force people to eat bowls of poop which is kind of not tame by definition, but at how much of Salo I was able to watch. I thought I'd spend most of the movie with my eyes covered.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone who thinks that THIS is too much should read the synopsis of "A Serbian Film"
yeah, i've read a lot abt ASF, but have no interest in seeing that, either. maybe some day i'll weaken, cuz i've always felt the perverse allure of such extremes, but come on, i still haven't seen the guinea pig films, cerda's aftermath or the men behind the sun.
did see salo several years back, and was impressed, though i didn't enjoy it. it's very well made and occasionally funny, but also slow, repetitive and ultimately quite dispiriting. not the sort of thing i'll likely revisit. and martyrs is boring junk.
finally, object to sweet movie being discussed as a shock movie that transcends the horror genre. it's got shock scenes, sure, but has nothing to do with horror. it's a kitchen-sink political comedy with no violence or suspense to speak of. and it's great!
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah after all the fuss Salo is pretty damn tame and boring. and rubbish.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a kitchen-sink political comedy with no violence or suspense to speak of.
well, no horror-type violence or suspense...
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow okay just read the Wikipedia summary of A Serbian Film and I am very unhappy now.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that movie is basically the worst idea in the world
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
p much.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
like, it sorta ruined my day
― an actual guy talking in an actual rhythm (history mayne), Tuesday, June 7, 2011 11:51 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark
I dunno man I just posted it. I was walking home and all these people were walking out of the building I live in, going to see a serbian film, and when I think about each of them and movies, I think about passolini, because that's who we end up talking about, when we talk about movies.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know anything about a serbian film tho, one of my friends just said someone gives birth to a baby and someone immediately has sex with it, dunno if that actually happens
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Per Wikipedia, yes. Also I think "rape" is more accurate than "has sex with" but I am pedantic about such things.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
also re: sweet movie having nothing to do with horror, you're right on one hand, but I think the aim of a lot of it was to freak the viewer out in some way
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah, it's transgressive all right, but not brutal or scary. it aims to blow your mind more than lay waste to your soul. that said, i'm sure tons of people have been horrified by it. i objected cuz i have problems with the contemporary thinking that equates anything particularly transgressive or shocking with the horror genre.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you probably shouldn't read the synopsis of A Serbian Film
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha THANKS
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I read that about four hours ago and still feel kinda ill. Want to scrub my brain. I don't think even the unwarranted pictures from rotten.com a "friend" sent me years and years ago made me feel this gross.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah about the only things I can think of that I find as gross as the synopsis of "A Serbian Film" are tubgirl and the picture of the dude who scraped off his face with glass while on PCP from rotten.com
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i read the first few lines and saw it was about raping babies... how much did yall need to know?
― an actual guy talking in an actual rhythm (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
there's enough incredibly depressing shit to read about irl without having to worry about the weird fantasies and lame rationalizations of extreme horror filmmakers/fans
― an actual guy talking in an actual rhythm (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ this thread
― ideas are death (Lamp), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
history mayne OTM I didn't even bother reading the whole synopsis
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
like, this stuff has always been around, it isn't really worth paying attention to
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
serbian film attempts to do the same sort've thing as salo - turn sadism into a metaphor for political brutality - but it's so much more dumb and inelegant, compared to the pasolini, that it REALLY flatters it to be mentioned in the same breath/thought.
that being said, the bbfc are just as dumb; they know that this kind of (re)action just gets ppl to download these movies (i would never have bothered to watch a serbian film if they hadn't kicked up such a stink abt it), and as ever i would like to know how they're defining 'harm' and its effects - on what basis do they believe this film to be harmful (rather than tasteless or stupid or boring or whatever.) have they been 'harmed', also?
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Martyrs is such a shit, shit movie. I get angry just thinking about it. A Serbian Film on the other hand at least feels like it's trying to communicate some genuine ideas about people reeling from unimaginable trauma, albeit in an incredibly overblown, ill-considered fashion.
Actually, the guy who wrote ASF also made this actually-pretty-decent historical fantasy flick (totally not scary or gross):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgGCH_E5yXE
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
What did you and c. not like about Martyrs? I thought people loved that movie.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
some people seem to find Martyrs powerful or something but I fond it dishonest and flimsy.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link