I HATE APPLE

i jack up the font size on just about everything if i can.

the line spacing is far too big. this is a reading app. dude should go and look at a book some time.

scrolling is hilarious. he's taken the trouble to break scrolling itself as well as the scrollbars (highlighted stays in the middle of the column as you move down so you have no sense of where you are in the list.

tbf, it is extremely snappy.

is reeder better than newsfire?

what if you don't use google reader?

why would you choose to use google reader, if you don't already use it?

google reader is just a data store for reeder. you don't need to use it after you've set up the account.

if newsfire works for you then it's probably fine, but the developer is kind of a legendary weirdo asshole.

why would you choose to use google reader, if you don't already use it?

Because it provides syncing between devices in a fairly reasonable way and if you're ever stuck at a computer anywhere you can use it!

Also, it has some somewhat flakey but useful social interaction

Lion has the ios toolbars too. We're going to go through a huge apple-led iosification now. Starting with iCal.

Still, survived brushed metal, can survive this..

sure, i'm not bothered about the chrome too much. that's not what i'm talking about.

i'm talking about the way the UI works, not the way it looks.

The not-slider sliders

i'm counting setting your display defaults so you can view 10 lines on a 15" screen as "the way the UI works"

I can get way more than 10 lines on my 11".

Also: the no-demo thing is definitely not a 1.0 thing. They've had years to do it on the ios app store and haven't.. At least on Mac devs can offer separate downloadable demos. On the plus side: way lower prices.

I can get way more than 10 lines on my 11".

^^^ braggin'

ok, i just counted. you get 17 lines of text with the defaults font and window size. if you maximize the window like people do on windows ca. 1994, or on an ipad, you get 24.

I think it's based on readability, which tbh I am loving more and more as my eyes get old. Years ago I wld have set this to monaco 10 straight off.

Full-screen in lion is actually p. nice, but only on small screen. Pointless on big monitors.

the reeder website doesn't publicly offer a demo fwiw. it offers six screenshots and the explanation "reeder is a google reader client", which doesn't really tell you what it's like to use. that hardly matters less on iphone where most apps are like 99p.

16pt fonts are big but at least you can change that. massive line spacing like this _impairs_ readability and wastes space. and you can't change it.

the scrollbars and scroll behaviour are pretty much indefensible.

if newsfire works for you then it's probably fine, but the developer is kind of a legendary weirdo asshole

i know, right? you can't delete the "david watanabe products newsfeed" on newsfire!!

still, i keep buying his stuff (see also: xtorrent)

ok, it's not reeder's fault: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/21/apple_leaks_new_scroll_bar_ui_details_in_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html

just wow.

Reeder doesn't use the system implementation, so it's probably more glitchy than the upcoming Lion one, but you are correct: the whole OS is getting those.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Lot of old-school people going to hate Lion at first, I think. It even changes the direction of two-finger scroll to match iOS.

OK, that will drive me nuts.

i don't mind if they get rid of scrollbars, since most people haven't clicked them for years, but they need to be replaced with something show the user where they are in a document. not having that information presented appropriately is one of the big problems people have with magazine and book reading apps. and apparently now i have to scroll around in the document to make the scrollbar appear so that i can find out where i was before i scrolled around? and this is all so i can get an extra 20px on my 1500px wide display?

not feeling that at all

getting rid of them on iphone makes sense because you rarely work with long documents on a phone, and in any case, horizontal space is so valuable that its worth the lost information.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Lot of old-school people going to hate Lion at first, I think. It even changes the direction of two-finger scroll to match iOS.

99% sure there's an option to flip it back, but they'll probably just remove it in 10.8.

I've not used the new scrolling yet but I think it'll feel intuitive pretty quickly.

how will you intuit where you are in a document?

lol

i feel like AA on a checkboxes tip here, but this is so, so stupid. if they want to put in some useless feature like the zooming dock thing that looks pretty and makes people go woooo in an apple store then that's fine. but this is bullshit.

I agree that removing the scrollbar is mentalist btw

I never really pay attention to where I am on the page until I'm scrolling, so I don't know yet if I'll be annoyed at having to do so. I can see it being more annoying on a mouse with an actually wheel, but the two-fingers-on-trackpad gesture is ok.

dont knock it til u try it

Reckon the Apple menu will be gone by 10.9, and it'll be hilarious.

you can turn the scrollbars back on, i've just seen, but I haven't because it turns out I don't care. They flash when a document arrives or when you scroll, so I pretty much always know how where I am.

scroll bar is excellent for letting you know how much clusterfuck is left in clusterfuck threads

otm

THOU SHALLT HAVE NO FILE SYSTEM DICK!

Wireless is fucked on my mbp, evidently due to a s/w haemorrhage. Trying to get web help on wireless issues is always the worst but apparently reinstalling the whole twatting os fixes it

Often it's enough to delete the relevant networking/AirPort preference files in your Library folder. Give it a try.

Ooh I will, thanks heaps.

Have so far tried deleting the wireless network from the network settings *and* the keychain. That improved things a bit (in that the network no longer vanishes) but it's intermittently slow as hell.

I also tried booting from the SL disc (but you can't open a browser to test the network) and a Ubuntu 11.04 Live CD (but Firefox would only stay open for 5-10 seconds before crashing).

Last thing I tried this morning was to repair permissions. It found a load of busted permissions to do with Airport files but I had to go to work and couldn't reboot to see whether it had done anything.

what if you don't use google reader?

You might want to check out NetNewsWire Lite 4. It's the complete ground-up rewrite of NNW that's promised for the regular version of NNW.

Often it's enough to delete the relevant networking/AirPort preference files in your Library folder. Give it a try.

― Millsner, Thursday, 16 June 2011 16:05 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I did this (and rebooted obv) and it already feels normal again. Too soon to get excited but I'll give it a couple of days.

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/06/loc.jpg

Sam I Am has a pain in her gulliver

the latest update to DP4 has made my computer unable to interpret ctrl+a wtfff

u dont know what u got til its gone

What's up with that story first reported in the UK, that Apple is working on ways to block use of the camera with infrared inhibitor rays? Sounds ridiculous, but here it is via Pitchfork:

"The Golden Era of browsing shaky YouTube footage of last night's big show may be drawing to a close. Soon, you may be able to actually go to a concert without seeing the band reflected in the glow of at least 10 iPhone cameras around you. According to the British newspaper The Daily Mail, via the Times, Apple has filed a patent application for a technology that will block iPhone cameras from recording live events, and they're apparently going to sci-fi lengths to make it happen.

According to The Daily Mail, this technology will involve infrared sensors placed around venues. If you hold your phone up, those sensors will detect and disable your camera while allowing all the other applications on your phone to continue working. Apple reportedly filed the patent application 18 months ago in California. The Daily Mail reports that Apple is supposedly doing this to placate broadcasters and record companies upset that their intellectual property is making it out into the world in unlicensed, shakily-filmed form. It would also allow Apple the option of charging users to film events."

I can only imagine if this went through what could possibly go on down the road, not least, say, governments blocking use of cameras, etc. with the same technology. Also, dunno if this would block non-Apple phones. Also also, don't know if Apple would actually be so insane it'd implement this, patent or no.

Don't see them ever doing this for music concerts etc; it's too dumb. I wondered if it was either a protective patent to stop anyone else getting there first, or was to do with the govt/mil installations that won't allow any devices with cameras on the premises. This way they can sell them the infrared emitters and not have to make a camera-less iPhone.

yeah what venue would even bother?

some hooligans are gonna figure out the infrared code and sell DIY kits though