Katrina's aftermath

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Like I was saying in chat a couple minutes ago, this disturbs me for many reasons. Perhaps mainly because, even though no one is saying it, New Orleans will be remembered as the first major US city destroyed by greenhouse gasses.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Not that I want to turn this into a pet issue or anything, but it seems so obvious to me. Hurricane season is FUCKING BRUTAL every year now.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

that picture makes the city look like uninhabited marshland.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

is that a levee in the foreground?

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

on either side, with the gap in the middle, i mean

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

That would be the 200 ft section of missing levee, Gear.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

It is.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Used to be 17 feet above the water level, but not with a storm surge like that.

When the levee breaks...

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

You know how the song goes. I will expect a mass exodus to Chicago now.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

WWL is now broadcasting via Windows Media Player:

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
When the levee breaks I’ll have no place to stay.
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Lord, mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home,
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well.
Don’t it make you feel bad
When you’re tryin’ to find your way home,
You don’t know which way to go?
If you’re goin’ down south
They go no work to do,
If you don’t know about chicago.
Cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
Now, cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
Thinkin’ ’bout me baby and my happy home.
Going, go’n’ to chicago,
Go’n’ to chicago,
Sorry but I can’t take you.
Going down, going down now, going down.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

WWL has been broadcasting via WMP for awhile. WDSU is on and off, probably because of the extreme traffic.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know how that can be plugged up! not that i'm an expert, but there's no ground to work with.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Josh, that's the first time that song has made me terribly, terribly sad.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know how that can be plugged up!

You are not alone.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

What's paramount right now are saving lives, hoping less are lost, obviously. In the long term, I'm really really hoping that NOLA, Biloxi, Mobile, etc. will not get another hurricane or major tropical storm even near it for the rest of the storm season. As it stands, I can't imagine things getting truly back to normal until a year from now.. meaning, most of the residencies and businesses devastated are rebuilt to be somewhat functional.

This is nothing compared to most people's connections to the area, but I can mentally connect some of the pictures I'm seeing to sites I've been to on my summer road trip from spring 2002...(this is literally the day after I stayed at 3's place in Athens)... I distinctly remember being on that bridge in Mobile where the oil rig crashed into, for example.

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost My thoughts exactly re: the tone of that song.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

As it stands, I can't imagine things getting truly back to normal until a year from now.. meaning, most of the residencies and businesses devastated are rebuilt to be somewhat functional.

it will take a long time, if the communities hit by ivan last year are any indication.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Not to be grim, but what's the official body count up to? Statistically, floods kill more people than all other natural disasters combined. And this is a big big flood.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

most people's connections to the area
I was just thinking, maybe at some point we should have a separate thread about our personal relationships to New Orleans, relatives, visits, etc.? Just saying.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

feel free to start one!

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link

that picture makes the city look like uninhabited marshland.

I think that's the way nature wanted it all along. Lake Pontchartrain is getting its way.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure there are several NOLA threads that could be revived. Not a bad idea.

Although, while we all know better, there shouldn't be any finality re: sentiments relating to the city of New Orleans itself. This tragedy is unprecedented no doubt.. this is not unlike what happened in Anchorage in 1964 (The 9.0 Prince William Sound earthquake that pretty much devastated the city, even though the quake itself was relatively far away.).. but Anchorage is alive today. New Orleans is hangin' on and will remain alive.

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps mainly because, even though no one is saying it, New Orleans will be remembered as the first major US city destroyed by greenhouse gasses.

This scientist says global warming has nothing to do with it. Der Spiegel says Katrina is emblematic of future environmental catastrophes.

Conclusion: expect this to be politicized in the following weeks and months.

Conclusion 2: this might be worthy of a separate thread.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it might.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

This tragedy is unprecedented no doubt.

Explain how this is unprecedented?

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i encourage all the "separate threads" proponents (including me, haha) to actually start these threads!

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I just never thought I'd see a well-known well-populated U.S. city suffer anything like this naturally in one day before. I don't think I ever had until yesterday.

I mean, I've been through really mean earthquakes in L.A., but none of them ever "destroyed" L.A.

(Not to discount the large number of very small cities that get smashed by tornadoes every year.. )

(And, duh, not to discount the tsunami from half a year ago, which still dwarfs Katrina's aftermath.. as painful as it looks right now.)

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

3 -- I live about 25 miles from the Gulf of Mexico in Florida. I haven't linked to the BBC at all. My surviving biological grandfather lives in Metairie. My other grandfather (who is my late grandmother's second husband, who she married after eight years after divorcing my grandfather in Metairie) lives in Fairhope on the east side of the Mobile Bay and one of his sons and his wife and two kids live down the street in the same town. I have a whole slough of relatives living in Gulf Breeze, Milton, and Bagdad -- communities just east of Pensacola who have been smacked down by this storm, Arlene, Dennis, and Ivan in the past year. The Gulf Coast south of Tallahassee has experienced flooding from the storm surge and an abnormally high tide, and I've been through several rain bands with this system. I've been in over 15 tropical systems since July 1994, some more directly than others. I've been fascinated by meteorology (and Ned's also interested in weather, too, for that matter) in general since that year because of three storms -- a Palm Sunday storm that dropped 8 inches of rain on the city and caused the lake across the street to me to rise about 8 feet, Tropical Storm Alberto flooding much of the Florida Panhandle, and especially Tropical Storm Beryl going directly over my city at night producing gale-force winds that kept me awake and near the window all night. I don't have a disaster fetish -- I'm genuinely concerned with tropical systems and the weather's intrigued me so much that I nearly opted to become a meteorologist. Now, quit being such a creep and stop demanding justification for every trivial detail anyone has to say here. (I also want to note that I'm very amused by your reposting of entire posts of mine on the "screennames" thread that were removed from their original context and so made less sense and appeared wacky and perhaps disturbing to you out-of-context -- I find your reposting those things vastly more disturbed than anything I wrote that you borrowed for that thread. Why exactly do you have such a vendetta against me, anyhow, that you feel a need to essentially blackmail me by showcasing what's really just my penchant for -- well, sheer silliness? I'm not pissed about it, but I'm bemused and a bit bewildered and rather disconcerted more than anything. I do think Jody's "Ian Quiche-Lorraine" tribute's pretty cute, though, but I've never had an issue with her before.)

Not that I want to turn this into a pet issue or anything, but it seems so obvious to me. Hurricane season is FUCKING BRUTAL every year now.
Incidentally, the Central Pacific Hurricane Season will actually be below average this year. Only two or three storms are projected to form there.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Explain how this is unprecedented?

Well, it's pretty unprecedented for New Orleans, for starters.

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

but Anchorage is alive today. New Orleans is hangin' on and will remain alive

Well, it's not Babylon. It takes a lot to kill a city. But it's fucking devastated, that's all I'm saying.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

IQL, I don't wanna go first.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't have a disaster fetish

My God, who does? Who wants their friends and loved ones, or ANYONE'S friends and loved ones, to be fucking weather refugees? Or worse?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(And, duh, not to discount the tsunami from half a year ago, which still dwarfs Katrina's aftermath.. as painful as it looks right now.)

which is why the "our tsunami" rhetoric bugs me -- what, are we ENVIOUS of their disaster? do we need to reappropriate it so we can turn the sympathy we extended to them back upon ourselves? i mean, i realize this is a major catastrophe, but people were saying "our tsunami" before anything even happened.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, maybe they're trying to drum up sympathy for federal funding.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

WWL has been broadcasting via WMP for awhile. WDSU is on and off, probably because of the extreme traffic.

I can't get either right now, though really I'm not too surprised...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

check out Yahoo's "Most Viewed Photos"

also, how long before the early statements of "Oh don't worry; we've got ALL the National Guard we need" are visibly disproven?

Conclusion: expect this to be politicized in the following weeks and months.

...and will come up during next year's election cycle, when people start pointing figures about slashed funding, lack of troops, etc

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I do think Jody's "Ian Quiche-Lorraine" tribute's pretty cute, though, but I've never had an issue with her before.)

i say it with wuv. i do think your unrepentant anglophilia is a little quirky, but hey, so is madonna's.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't get either right now, though really I'm not too surprised...

I was in for a while, but cut it off. You're not missing anything major. It's a bunch of clueless local newscasters. The one woman who kept pointing to a barbecue she saw as evidence of the local spirit, again and again, despite protests that that they were only doing it to get their food warm for a change... she pissed me off.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

baton rouge tv station reporting prison rioters now holding hostages

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

but hey, so is madonna's.

haha

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Without trying to sound flippant, those little steel baskets with the cushions on the side that people are sitting in as they're getting airlifted ... well, it looks like under different circumstances, it would be well worth the e-ticket.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost holy shit.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, maybe they're trying to drum up sympathy for federal funding.

they'll get funding coming out of their eyeballs. this'll be an opportunity for bush et al to prove how much they care about WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT HERE AT HOME (tm).

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Try both stations with IE instead of Firefox. They should work then. WWL is definitely working...I've been watching it nonstop since about 10AM this morning (this is my saturday, damnit). Right now is a interview being done about the whole pumps not working and the entire city about to completely flood.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

despite protests that that they were only doing it to get their food warm for a change

Also, to cook up as much stuff from the freezer before it goes bad, probably.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Without trying to sound flippant, those little steel baskets with the cushions on the side that people are sitting in as they're getting airlifted ... well, it looks like under different circumstances, it would be well worth the e-ticket.

i know. i was saying before that they remind me of those swinging cages on coney island's wonder wheel.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Not working, Alan, getting 'playlist format not recognized,' more or less same problem with Safari and Firefox.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

how many people live in new orleans and mississipi? what is a realistic estimate of people who are now homeless?

also, how long does a hurricane last? how long will it be before these people can return to their homes (what's left of them anyways)?

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, to cook up as much stuff from the freezer before it goes bad, probably.

That was pointed out, too. But no, it's spirit! Talking point! She wants to work for Fox someday.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link


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