There was enough material for about twenty hours of television in the last episode alone. As an exercise in explaining the course of events, it would be laughable - there's no way you can summarise the causes for the wars in Rwanda and Congo in four minutes apiece - but as an exercise in providing a set of interesting things for viewers to go and find out more about, it had a purpose. I think the overarching polemical point was fairly weakly structured but, again, it gives us something to think about when the show's over. There's not much on television that can make the same claim. Also, Pizzicato 5!
What annoyed me the most, aside for the use of 'we believed' and 'scientists thought' throughout, were the sections that seemed to bend fact to fit the theory. The idea that the colour-coded revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan demonstrate that organic displays of people power without hierarchy are doomed to failure, for example, ignores the fact that they were never organic and always had a hierarchy. There were too many occasions like that for it not to come across as a little dishonest, rather than misguided or constrained by format.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
His name was Adam Curtis, and his programmes followed a radical new path. He would show that history, far from being something supported by facts, was something quite different. This was a radical new form of documentary, in which the very idea of not pulling a fast one was simply not a problem.
At its heart was some cool slo-mo footage of people dancing intercut with Alan Greenspan and the Pizzicato 5.
― Alba, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
j/k - love him really
― Alba, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought this one was great and pretty entertaining. I couldn't get through a couple of his past shows. I feel like the haters don't really "get" adam curtis. Approaching his work like it's some kind of cogent political essay seems kind of silly to me.
― unmetalled world (wk), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, and alba lol and otm
― unmetalled world (wk), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg
― Alba, Monday, 20 June 2011 06:28 (thirteen years ago) link
but this was a fantasy
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 20 June 2011 10:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I never got around to saying why wk's thing about not "getting" Adam Curtis was an undeserved get-out-of-jail-free card but this parody does it for me.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Monday, 20 June 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link
some lols in this, though i'm surprised that the most obvious Curtis phrase/meme didn't pop up; just before a sudden shift in the narrative you get "and then (name of person) ..*made a discovery* ...". there's always some random fellow somewhere who's making a discovery in Curtis stuff.
― piscesx, Monday, 20 June 2011 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
might do a version of the Lewinsky "Suzanne" bit but with "Suzanne" slowed down to the same rate as the actual footage
― blueski, Monday, 20 June 2011 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of his appeal seems to overlap with Malcolm Gladwell's - cool little stories about incredibly important people and things you probably haven't come across before, eg "In a laboratory in southern California in 1963 an eccentric young scientist named xxx made a remarkable discovery." I'm sure if you didn't know who Ayn Rand was, for example, then the first part of Loving Grace was a blast if only for telling her story vividly. But Gladwell, though prone to false connections and oversimplifications himself, has way more narrative focus. And the downside of this technique is that the more the viewer knows about a particular subject, the shabbier and more misleading this skimreading of it seems. It was the Rwanda section of Loving Grace which made me lose my patience with Curtis because it's something I know about and he was mauling it.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Monday, 20 June 2011 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
what did he get wrong abt rwanda?
(i think it's obvi that he's giving very partial versions of events in every case)
― where ilxor ends and markers begins (history mayne), Monday, 27 June 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
n e ways thought the third ep was the best thing he's done in a minute
But this was a fantasy!
― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
"but in reality!"
came here to post this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3272903211813223143
classic material
― you cant care about popular culture right now and not partake in (history mayne), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't seen that series. Should I start from the beginning?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, a strange and brilliant phd student in cambridge made a fascinating discovery.
― A41 (admrl), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Going the Full-Carmody: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/09/the_curse_of_tina.html
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
psyched. read the first bit while listening to floyd cramer's 'on the rebound', to get ready.
― all the small zings (history mayne), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
Why we have become so possessed by the ideology of our age that we cannot think outside it.
except i, adam curtis
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
Ha. Obviously undeterred by The Loving Trap-style mockery, he's going the "full Curtis" here:
It is a rollicking saga that involves all sorts of things not normally associated with think tanks - chickens, pirate radio, retired colonels, Jean Paul Sartre, Screaming Lord Sutch, and at its heart is a dramatic and brutal killing committed by one of the very men who helped bring about the resurgence of the free market in Britain.
No wonder he gets so many commissions if his pitches are that good. It's a well-told story. I knew the Shivering Sands story already but didn't know much about Smedley.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
"I want to suggest that the Hug has become a part of the modern problem of not being able to imagine any alternative to the world of today. The Hug is no longer liberating, it is restraining"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/10/the_curse_of_tina_part_two.html
― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 10:12 (twelve years ago) link
aha, the killer final conclusion:
"If we can be taught to hug we can just as easily learn to march and chant."
― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 10:25 (twelve years ago) link
well I'm seeing Loving Grace tom'w
http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/all-watched-over-by-machines-of-loving-grace
anyone else want to weigh in?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC the consensus around here was that it was even less convincing than usual but still very entertaining.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
I rewatched it last week and enjoyed it more. But yes...stretching.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
This is good:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2012/01/the_years_of_stagnation_and_th.html
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
^^ also, the following the post about cruise ships, and the history of the owners of the Costa Concordia. Includes a v. funny 60s ALan Whicker clip http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2012/01/were_all_in_the_same_boat_-_ar.html
― Les Tressle (useless chamber), Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
At first sight the search for peace and stability in Iraq, and the search for physical and mental fitness in the extreme contortions of modern Yoga seem to have absolutely nothing in common.
But curiously they do.
― ledge, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2012/11/while_the_band_played_on.html
a fair point well expressed here
― piscesx, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
― Dog the Puffin Hunter (ledge), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
what a great use of the bbc archivists' time
― NAMES A CUNTZ FAE RENFRA (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
hang on, music changes the way we feel about the images we're seeing?
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
it's true tho, the final scene of andrei rublev is subtly different when set to bbbbbounce by the blackout crew
― NAMES A CUNTZ FAE RENFRA (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh you guys..
― piscesx, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
But in amongst all this new-found self-confidence among the pets of Britain there were still the ghosts of the old rigid owner-pet power structure
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/blogadamcurtis/posts/HEAVY-PETTING
― woof, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
i can't even
― jabba hands, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
the kind of self-parody i could get behind tbh
― ledge, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
also looking forward to seeing all these videos of dogs
― ledge, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
― woof
― jabba hands, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
in reality, pets had been learning to post on forums
― woof, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
tbf i think the bit I posted was curtis-does-curtis for lols.
― woof, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
a radical new form of lol
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 20 December 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
where should i start with this guy?
― caek, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x1bX3F7uTrg
― ledge, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 12:44 (eleven years ago) link
I would say The Mayfair Set: it's a bit more tightly focused than the later work, & the narrative's a bit cleaner, though it keeps going to odd interesting places. Full of fascinating slightly monstrous sorts - Goldsmith, Aspinall etc.
― woof, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
good grief charlie brooker has a lot to answer for xp
thanks woof
― caek, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 10:52 (eleven years ago) link
Did you guys know about this: http://www.mif.co.uk/event/massive-attack-v-adam-curtis
It Felt Like A Kiss a few years ago was hands down the most mind-blowing few hours of my life. Can't wait for this one.
― NI, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
the financial journalist in the second episode (Christopher Fildes) is amazing. 'I and other people in the financial press were willing dupes'. Can't be said enough. Very good documentaries - nothing more plainly connects the switch from paternalistic (the paternalism of a grotesque controlling father) to unmediated unapologetic-yet-duplicitous socially destructive greed, which is also the recent history of the Tory party.
― Say Bo to a (Fizzles), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link