so back to sydney. everyone i know in sydney is rascist to some degree. like there will be a whole lot of comments on how asians cant drive or lebanese guys are greasy or the greeks will rip you off if the south african jews dont get to you first. and theres not even a pause afterward like might happen if something slipped out and you were afraid you'd offended people.
i spent a good chunk of my late teens/early twenties calling people on this sort of talk but I ended up being the person everyone looked down upon. like i was throwing an unnecessary spanner in the works. but heres something i noticed after a while. this man i know, judging solely on what comes out of his mouth, is probably the worst rascist i have ever met but when he comes to meet someone asian, lebanese, whatever he treats them exactly the same as he would any white australian. theres nothing put-on about it. hes absolutely genuine. after i first noticed that, i noticed the same from other people.
im not saying that perpertuating a whole lot of stereotypes isnt bad enough, but the majority of australians i know act a whole lot different than they talk when it comes to race.
― sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 12 December 2005 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Thank god racism has been eliminated in Asia and Africa. No danger of being beaten to death with sticks along with 500,000 of your tribesmen in Central Africa because you're from the wrong group.
No looing down on of Tamils or Vietnamese by differently complected bretheren to the north.
― ExcuseMe, Monday, 12 December 2005 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Other Kate (papa november), Monday, 12 December 2005 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 12 December 2005 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Thats a point I am very glad you brought up. I guess people would call that "casual racism" but yeah, my dad is like that. He is seriously a good hearted, nice, polite person with no actual prejudices about anyone when it comes down to it. Does this stop him from saying "lots of hymies out today" in my neighbourhood or calling the chinese shopkeepers next door "dim" and "sim"? No, it doesnt. I call him on it EVERY time he says it, and I am very angry about it - but he is HONESTLY BAFFLED and means no harm by it.
That casual, "its just words" kind of racism is very aussie. I think maybe somehow it is encouraged by our "humour through insults" way of life perhaps. I had a brit ex who was horrified at how we all spoke to each other here, calling each other 'fattey' and "shithead" and etc.
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― starke, Monday, 12 December 2005 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link
All that said, these semantics are nothing in the face of the accounts I'vebeen reading abt the Cronulla beach riots.
Apparenltly THOUSANDS of white locals converged on the beach with every intent of harrasing/screaming/hitting the Lebanese locals off the beach. And then they did. They smashed bottles, kicked people, chased kids in huge mobs, and trashed the mall. I*YD&DSTF^SDF
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― starke, Monday, 12 December 2005 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link
the Liberal MP for the area went on ABC radio to explain that it was actually revenge from white people for September 11 though. So that's alright then, sorted.
― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 12 December 2005 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Ive been reading the email to crikey.com.au thats appeared on a few blogs from a horrified bystander who watched it all unfold and jeez. Talk about a blind mob.
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― moley, Monday, 12 December 2005 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Apparently a lot of that violence was skinhead gangs or some crap.
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 08:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― moley, Monday, 12 December 2005 08:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Thankfully, we live in slightly more enlightened times...but the whole bogan underclass still remains and came out in force on Sydney on Sunday. The same bogan underclass that hates "un-ostralian shit, mate" and intelligence. The same bogan underclass that actually give Pauline Hanson her fifteen minutes of ill-gotten fame before John Howard took her policies wholesale. The same bogan underclass who gives us this ultra-neo-conservative federal government that ironically will make their pathetic lives even more worthless. And they'll vote 'em in again and again.
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 12 December 2005 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:35 (eighteen years ago) link
im really suprised this didn't happen sooner. every summer all you would hear is 'look at all the fuckin' wogs driving from blacktown to our beach! go home!'.the sutherland shire is like a world of its own and its completely entrenched in hate. you really couldnt pay me enough to go back to cronulla.
― sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link
KHE SAHN!
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 12 December 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 12 December 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 12 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 12 December 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH SOME RESPONSIBILITY (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Clifton Evers, a lecturer in gender studies at the University of Sydney, said the dominant male ego was a highly regarded part of surf culture and the Cronulla riot was an attempt to maintain ownership of the beach.
He dismissed the attack on the North Cronulla lifesavers as the trigger for Sunday's melee, saying the surf culture and the lifesaving movement were often at loggerheads over the use of waves and there was little love lost between both groups.
"The SLSC movement and surfing is a male world grown out of control. Listening to the guys' chants on Sunday, it's clear the protest was an inversion of victimhood," Dr Evers said.
"They kept saying: 'Our world is under attack, our woman need defending, our way of life was under attack.' Of course, nothing of the sort was going on. The whole thing is an attempt to shore up the privileges they enjoy as gatekeepers of the beach culture."
Dr Evers thought that what perhaps the riot displayed most was the power of mateship.
"Most of those guys wouldn't have had a clue. They could be wound up by all the fascist groups in the world and wouldn't know. But they could have been there because one of their mates reckons the outsiders [needed] to be taught a lesson," he said. "And, you know, all those young blokes driving to the beach suburbs in their cars from the western suburbs to fight are being driven by the same thing - mateship.
"You hate who your mates hate. In Australia, mateship is stronger than racism."
― paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 12 December 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Please explain this because a) it makes no farking sense, b) I dont think anyone's blamed Italian immigrants for anything, c) you are an american, you have no idea wtf is behind all this.
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/alan-jones-i-led-this-charge/2005/12/12/1134236003153.html
Alan Jones is a right wing talkback shockjock DJ. He is foul and unrepentingly stupid. And he said this, among other things:
When John called on Tuesday to bluntly recommend vigilante action — "If the police can't do the job, the next tier is us" — Jones did not dissent. "Yeh. Good on you, John." And when he then offered a maxim his father had picked up during the war — "Shoot one, the rest will run" — the broadcaster roared with laughter. "No, you don't play Queensberry's rules. Good on you, John."
It was horrible stuff, larded with self-congratulation. And pity poor Berta — "not of a Middle Eastern family" — who tried to argue there were two sides to this story. When she reported hearing "really derogatory remarks" aimed at Middle Eastern people on Cronulla beach, Jones cut her off: "Let's not get too carried away, Berta. We don't have Anglo-Saxon kids out there raping women in western Sydney."
*boggle*. Yeah ok. White kids don't rape, in Sydney?
Hey sedition law, cop this: KILL ALAN JONES NOW. PLEASE.
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― andy --, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link
My opinion? The sooner it's destroyed, the better.
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link
And that's my earlier question answered as well.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link
I am too wound up over this to be logical about it at all (Ive just caused a huge fight on my LJ because everyone misread something I said).
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link
He has *no* cock. Therefore, he cannot be a cock. He is cockless. COCKLESS.
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link
Melbourne has that other loathsome toad Andrew Bolt spouting the same bile in the Herald Sun, and if nothing like Cronulla happens in Springvale or somewhere like that, all it might mean is radio has more clout than the print media.
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not sure anything of this scale's ever happened in Melb. I'm not boasting or anything; I know places like Frankston and Dandenong and Broady are bad. But for eg: those Salt nightclub asian gang related stabbings a few years ago. That didnt result in a bunch of rabid chapel st yuppies "relcaiming our clubs".
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link
I think it's a combination of intelligence, demographic spread, geography, and the footy.
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 03:00 (eighteen years ago) link
THUS I HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link
"if sydneysiders played australian rules football, they wouldn't be racist dickheads" - esteban buttezz, 2005
― turboalbino (haitch), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Just look at the games. Australian Rules is about artistic expression, covering great distances and using your head. Rugby League is just an excuse for no-necks to beat each other up.
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Rugby League. Too stupid to be sport, too ugly to be porn.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link
PS - choke on a dick.
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh but wait, you'd have to have been PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO THE THREAD to comprend this ahhh never mind why do I bother.
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
-- jim p. irrelevant (electricsoun...) (webmail), December 13th, 2005 12:28 AM. (electricsound) (later) (link)
Go back to England to be with the rest of "your kind".
Trayce, eat living fuck you racist bitch. Fuck you!
Here, you'll have greek/italian 2nd generation young guys being the offenders a lot of the time - starting shit, abusing asians, etc. It seems to flux.
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Senate preference deals and fucking wieird. People have no idea who they are voting for.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
Lazy fuckers need to number the boxes. How-to-vote cards are for cunts.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 16 August 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
I forget her name, the gappy toothed feminist comedian who got in hot water for razzing on ANZACs a few years back.Catherine Deveny?
Yumi Stynes also copped it over insulting Aussie Hero(tm) Ben Roberts-Smith. George Negus got off easy. I wonder why.
(Ben's having his own problems come to light recently.)
― Vernon Locke, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link
Yes, Deveny. I'm not a fan of hers but she shouldntve copped the shit she did over that.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link
White supremacist former cop about to be PM. What a fucking shambles
― monotony, Thursday, 23 August 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
ffs
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 23 August 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
Former Queensland copper more to the point,.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 23 August 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link
Alan Jones using the n-word on radio - welcome to the lucky country!!!!!!!
No Alan, pretty sure you can’t use that expression. pic.twitter.com/B6X42t8GPH— David Woiwod (@DavidWoiwod) August 23, 2018
― monotony, Thursday, 23 August 2018 00:37 (five years ago) link
well, if it wasn't a particularly large problem before, it's about to be now
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link
now it seems as thoough scomo will challenge dutton. goodness me we really are spoiled for choice!
― monotony, Thursday, 23 August 2018 00:47 (five years ago) link
ScoMo vs Dutton. Never did I envisage the day when ScoMo might seem the best candidate
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 23 August 2018 01:07 (five years ago) link
Oh why wont Alan Jones just die of a heart attack already.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 23 August 2018 01:07 (five years ago) link
69 to 68 against referring Dutton’s eligibility to the high court, Trumble cast the deciding vote
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
fuck me, i guess I may as well just burn both passports, really lucked out with the US and Aus
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:30 (five years ago) link
so who thinks Dutton will call an election in two months, wait until May, or piss off everyone and push it until November 2019?
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:32 (five years ago) link
xpostI voted in SF in 2013, let’s meet at the embassy and have a 13-hour FAP afterward Veg
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:33 (five years ago) link
lol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link
parliamentary citizenship fiasco revealed that I’m probably an NZ citizen, gotta go to LA to check at their embassy before the midterms
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 02:52 (five years ago) link
srs?
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 August 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link
if Ludlam’s dad’s immigration made him a dual citizen, mine should have(he died 24 yrs ago so I can’t check any details with him)
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link
🚨 dude that runs concentration camps loses to dude that started concentration camps
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Friday, 24 August 2018 03:07 (five years ago) link
gastro vs dysentery
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 August 2018 03:43 (five years ago) link
Here's what I don't understand - why did those 3 senators rock up to the press yesterday and resign on the grounds that "Turnbull no longer has the numbers", and yet the spill motion result was 45-40 - meaning Turnbull would've had the numbers to block the spill, but for those 3 senators?
ScoMo's LNP I presume - well, I shouldn't, but I hope, I guess - will lose the election, which will probably mean that Dutton, Abbott & their cronies will start to say that the election would've been winnable had the LNP pandered further to racists under Sgt Dutton. I suppose it's still a better outcome than Dutton as PM now, but when "catastrophic mess resulting in bigoted moron becoming PM" still works out to be the preferred option then its hard to feel any relief.
― monotony, Friday, 24 August 2018 04:20 (five years ago) link
Also fuck turnbull forever for so many reasons but especially the way he's going to claim marriage equality as his great legacy. He did everything he could to slow down that change and protect himself, and put hundreds of thousands of people (me included) through hell in the process.
― monotony, Friday, 24 August 2018 04:23 (five years ago) link