it is indeed a real issue that has been crying out for your incisive commentary
xp
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
omg what am i doing i need an ilx break don't i
Maybe frogbs is doing field research so he can play Pino in "Do the Right Thing: Te Musical"
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"And if you don't get why that sounds bad...
And if you don't get why that sounds bad...
then enlighten me, what am I supposed to say?
you're definitely trying to lead me to post something about the cheapness of blacks or whatever, I'm just saying I don't think that's the issue at all
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
wait haven't you posted that, i mean exactly that
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
not tipping well != cheap
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://thevegasclubs.com/images/10_tipping.jpg
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the point is that if you really given any thought to racial/racist stereotypes especially in a public forum then you're inevitably gonna be seen as perpetuating them, wittingly or not.
cos the short simple answer is "racial stereotypes are stupid let's talk about something else"
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
you must be new here, frogbs
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I was talking about this with a friend of mine
I think the negative thing is that instead of explaining your experience with individuals and asking about it, you're about one step off of saying "they are not (a) cheap people." While there is a "black culture" in the US, it's not monolithic, although you're right -- some cultural things like how much to tip seem to vary.
But this entire beating around the bush and acting like it's a racial thing is... not really the way to approach cultural issues.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"They're not cheap, they just spend their money on courvousier"
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i find a lot of not poor people are excruciatingly mean when it comes to tipping after a meal but this is back in lol britishes territory, which is odd since we are notoriously whiter than american whites
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
what I'm wondering if why or if this is a cultural thing. that article did imply that blacks tip less though the margin is not as eye-popping as people have made it sound. i was part of an international club in college and a lot of them weren't really good tippers since they didn't have that culture there. that I understand. when we're talking about people who have been in this country their whole lives it gets a little more confusing
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i never found this true at all. poor people in general seemed to tip more than rich people in my experience. maybe that's why they were poor.
wtf are you winding me up guvnor qeII don't mean shit to me bruv xxp to nv
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I got plenty of bad tips from enough people to know there was never a pattern to it
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i was using britishes in the american sense of "everybody living between Greenland and Moscow"
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
People who have been in the country their whole lives don't necessarily have the same experiences, though.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Why are all the popcorn gifs of black people?
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
you'll excuse me for having national memory of when this was p much the british sense as well, john bull
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
alright i admit it i long for the return of the british empire
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess the whole thing could be a self-perpetuating cycle though - like I said I've heard it so much by people in the service industry that I'm guessing they don't really get great service, which leads to them leaving smaller tips...I remember reading something on this board about how there really was a race issue, it seems like it's really just a shitty one that's self-perpetuating all the less
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I def did notice some patterns w/tips when I delivered for Jimmy John's in lolcollege but eh don't see the point of talking about ancecdotal stuff like that really
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's a bit late to put "the whole thing" down to "a self-perpetuating cycle". Subjects don't "self-perpetuate", people make sure they they keep making the rounds and here it is you, sir, that is keeping the wheels in motion. xp
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.arthursclipart.org/children/babiescol/shock.gif
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
self-perpetuating Sbcycle
― Aerosol, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a world outside of ILX you know
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa shut the hell up
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
thank god you're here to explain it to us\
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Guys don't be startled by that noise it is probably just the scales falling from my eyes
keep going horseshoe you'll make the excelsior thread one day
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah horseshoe
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
keep going
i will say this tho: visigoths are surprisingly great tippers
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Except when you make excelsior, frogbs, it's usually the setup...
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Third worst tippers - high school kids in large groups.
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, June 20, 2011 3:50 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
truth bomb, but cut out the "third"
― the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I SHOULD TAKE YOU OUT BY MY FENCE SO YOU WOULD SEE WHAT A GOOD POST LOOKS LIKE
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay lol
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, June 20, 2011 4:18 PM Bookmark
Black people love popcorn. Can't believe you've never heard this.
There's even an article about it on the Internet.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
best tippers have got to be those who are deployed overseas - that's definitely one group of people who don't mind blowing a bunch of money very quickly
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
are you now inventing good tippers to provide new thread content?
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok I'm just speaking from anecdotal recent evidence but I have heard that generally the worst tippers are cunts who win $50 on slots, but I am not sure if that is officially a race I guess
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
where is horseshoe, i want her to keep going
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
that's basically what I was getting at all along but whatever keep pushing the race issue so you guys can get some more weak burns in
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
wait did I miss a post here where I was just posting anecdotal evidence
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
superfluous ecdot
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Your progression was:
what races are the worst tippers -> yes I meant are black people bad tippers -> I really just wanted to know if it was a stereotype
The dodging is actually a lot worse than asking "Is there a stereotype that black people tip poorly?" Then again, you know that asking anything racially charged while being you is kind of a bad plan....
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf he started with a moronically coy, guess which race is in my pocket? post
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
SURPRISE IT'S BLACK PEOPLE