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Guys don't be startled by that noise it is probably just the scales falling from my eyes

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

keep going horseshoe you'll make the excelsior thread one day

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah horseshoe

☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

keep going

☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

i will say this tho: visigoths are surprisingly great tippers

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Except when you make excelsior, frogbs, it's usually the setup...

2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Third worst tippers - high school kids in large groups.

― bill magill (milo z), Monday, June 20, 2011 3:50 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

truth bomb, but cut out the "third"

the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I SHOULD TAKE YOU OUT BY MY FENCE SO YOU WOULD SEE WHAT A GOOD POST LOOKS LIKE

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay lol

chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Why are all the popcorn gifs of black people?

― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, June 20, 2011 4:18 PM Bookmark

Black people love popcorn. Can't believe you've never heard this.

There's even an article about it on the Internet.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

best tippers have got to be those who are deployed overseas - that's definitely one group of people who don't mind blowing a bunch of money very quickly

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

are you now inventing good tippers to provide new thread content?

mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Ok I'm just speaking from anecdotal recent evidence but I have heard that generally the worst tippers are cunts who win $50 on slots, but I am not sure if that is officially a race I guess

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

where is horseshoe, i want her to keep going

☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

that's basically what I was getting at all along but whatever keep pushing the race issue so you guys can get some more weak burns in

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

wait did I miss a post here where I was just posting anecdotal evidence

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

superfluous ecdot

beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Your progression was:

what races are the worst tippers -> yes I meant are black people bad tippers -> I really just wanted to know if it was a stereotype

The dodging is actually a lot worse than asking "Is there a stereotype that black people tip poorly?" Then again, you know that asking anything racially charged while being you is kind of a bad plan....

mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link

tbf he started with a moronically coy, guess which race is in my pocket? post

horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

SURPRISE IT'S BLACK PEOPLE

horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

is that a toy or not

beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

"If you can guess which race I'm thinking of ... then which one of us is *really* the racist? Think abt it."

boxall, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

WHICH RACE IS THE WORST TIPPERS

chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

keep trying horseshoe, not good enough for excelsior yet

☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe someday youll be at frogbs level

☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it's a bit late to put "the whole thing" down to "a self-perpetuating cycle". Subjects don't "self-perpetuate", people make sure they they keep making the rounds and here it is you, sir, that is keeping the wheels in motion. xp

there's a world outside of ILX you know

― frogbs, maandag 20 juni 2011 23:24 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ok, listen up jokeboy: You are continuously - with a faux air of choir-boy naivety - aiming for confirmation of a certain idea you have. That black people tip less than white people. Iatee and others have already pointed out how ludicrous and racist both your notion, and the way you go about it, is. Yet you keep falling back on a "guys seriously, I am just wondering about this. Could it be true? There's websites mentioning it too!" stance. If you've not already concluded that what you are just wondering about, it means you are willingly continuing to push the stereotype, to keep this racist myth alive. To which I can only reply: fuck you.

...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

cartmanesque tbf

beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Your progression was:

what races are the worst tippers -> yes I meant are black people bad tippers -> I really just wanted to know if it was a stereotype

The dodging is actually a lot worse than asking "Is there a stereotype that black people tip poorly?" Then again, you know that asking anything racially charged while being you is kind of a bad plan....

What, in your opinion, am I dodging? I've worked as a bartender and I've never noticed it and don't really have a reason to be racist. Yes I have heard people bring that up straight up and would have posted it that way if people here weren't so super sensitive about pretty much any type of race issue.

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Basically I'm wondering which races/demographics you guys think tip the best and the worst

Best = humans, worst = marmosets

Anyway, ime, worst tippers are tables w/a bunch of messy kids, followed by tables w/lots of ppl who split checks.

Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

did modestmickey used to be a bartender? i'm getting a Let's contribute to jaymc.xls by listing everything/body that ILX has determined is racist kind of vibe

horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

would have posted it that way if people here weren't so super sensitive about pretty much any type of race issue.

pro tip: then don't post about any type of race issue

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Ok, listen up jokeboy: You are continuously - with a faux air of choir-boy naivety - aiming for confirmation of a certain idea you have. That black people tip less than white people. Iatee and others have already pointed out how ludicrous and racist both your notion, and the way you go about it, is. Yet you keep falling back on a "guys seriously, I am just wondering about this. Could it be true? There's websites mentioning it too!" stance. If you've not already concluded that what you are just wondering about, it means you are willingly continuing to push the stereotype, to keep this racist myth alive. To which I can only reply: fuck you.

first of all, wtf is this thing I'm 'continually' doing. i haven't concluded shit and if it was a racist myth there wouldn't be an NPR article about it

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

okay, let me seriously ask here, what do you guys think my motive is here? like what reason would I have to perpetuate some myth?

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

first of all, wtf is this thing I'm 'continually' doing. i haven't concluded shit and if it was a racist myth there wouldn't be an NPR article about it

― frogbs, maandag 20 juni 2011 23:49 (35 seconds ago) Bookmark

Yeah because if things aren't true there wouldn't be people talking about it on the internet, right? Oh wait...

...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

On to the next thread

2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

xp so is your conclusion that NPR got bad data? that they're racially motivated?

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

if it was a racist myth there wouldn't be an NPR article about it

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/assets_c/2010/11/Boss_Thumbs_Up_gif-thumb-350x197-15764.gif

☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, well, NPR doesn't hire black people.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

that's why it loves reviewing shit like Wilco

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

okay, let me seriously ask here, what do you guys think my motive is here? like what reason would I have to perpetuate some myth?

― frogbs, maandag 20 juni 2011 23:50 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark

Your motive seems to be gathering support for your racist preconceptions. But why the fuck ask us what your motives are?!

...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Guys have I turned myself into troll-bait here?

...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

oh i see you didn't read my posts then

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

What, in your opinion, am I dodging?

The fact that you are trying to turn it into a discussion about black people not tipping?

If you wanted to know if it was a stereotype, you could have asked that or even gone to google. It's not that you even really have racist intentions on this one, it's just that you left your material that would make the question sound neutral until the end: "I've only had experience as a bartender and black people tend to tip as well as anyone else, but at a party some server friends told me that there's a stereotype of black people tipping poorly."

IMO that sounds like a reasonable query, approaches race from the individual perspective standpoint, and doesn't dodge around. Instead it went from you being afraid to say the phrase "black people" into "hey black people tipped me well for drinks!"

So the way you're coming off is that you want affirmation of this belief, or you're just so clumsy when talking about race that it sounds that way

mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i was basically not trying to let this fall into "confirmation bias" as in if no one knew what the fuck I was talking about then I could assume the whole thing wasn't really anything. btw I didn't really say that i've been tipped well by black people but rather that I don't think or wouldn't guess that it's an issue of cheapness because that really does fall into some stupid racist bullshit which I was trying to steer the thread away from

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

honestly, I have no idea, that's why I brought it up because it's kind of a weird thing. in my experience as a bartender they aren't exactly cheap people and I'm not sure if there are cultural issues or what they could be

― frogbs

mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

So the way you're coming off is that you want affirmation of this belief

I don't really want affirmation of anything - tipping culture in general is pretty interesting to me, ultimately I tried to phrase things so that I didn't seem like I was racist but I'm not really good with that and given ILX's tendencies to make everything look worse than it really is I probably should have known better

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

frogbs, have you served black people as a bartender? How did they tip?

mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

mh - i wasn't referring to the tip there, what I mean here - and this is something that a lot of servers would probably back me up on - is that I don't think the issue of "cheapness" (which I'm assuming a lot of you are trying to make this thread about?) really defines how much a person tips. we're talking about places where people willingly pay $8 for a $1 dessert or $5 for a pint of beer that they know costs less than a buck - if people really wanted to be cheap they probably wouldn't go to restaurants or bars very often

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I think you're confusing living cheaply versus being a cheap bastard.

mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

btw yeah I have served black people and they generally tipped alright unless the bill was really big, in which case you wouldn't get 10-15% but you'd get enough to make it worth your while, nothing I would have thought of before it was mentioned to me.

in general the idea of tipping 15% on bills that are big because of shots or other 'low-maitenance' items is really stupid anyway

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link


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