Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

but on the other hand political affiliations made when young are sticky, so while most of the gop might not really care now, it will affect them long term

muddle of pudd

gross, save that for the deathdrone thread

I'm not marrying you, am0n.

you've heard that gay marriage joke, "Is it mandatory?" Well, it is for some folks at Raytheon and IBM!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304314404576414003229539790.html

morbs i'd have assumed that you would condemn all raytheon employees as full-fledged members of the EVIL AMERICAN WAR MACHINE

cogs in the imperial hardware they have rights too.

The employers most likely to drop the benefits were those that offer them only to same-sex couples; many firms offer benefits to heterosexual nonmarried couples as well.

so... i mean, the real issue is that these company policies are exclusively for same-sex couples, right?

well, in the case of IBM & Raytheon, they don't offer any kind of nonmarried partners benefits.

Interesting:

“Gay inmates married in New York will be allowed to receive the same conjugal visits — officially called “family reunions” — that their married heterosexual cellmates enjoy, officials said.”

Good news:

“Gay inmates were also made eligible for furloughs if their spouse or civil union partner was terminally ill, a privilege granted to heterosexual couples.”

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/29/rhode-islands-senate-oks-same-sex-civil-union-bill/

:/

Hrrmrmrm. The language in that legislation about "protection" of religious organizations from having to recognize same-sex civil unions is concerning (appalling), as usual. Mostly, but certainly not only, because of church-run health care systems having leave to deny the legal right of same sex couple w/r/t medical decisions.

can i be the only one who lols every time he sees this thread title

naw this title is hilarious

This is gathering an incredible head of steam in Australia atm. It feels like the only people who remain opposed to it are a few outlying bigots/murdoch tabloid readers and a handful of politicians (many of whom secretly support it and are just waiting for the right time to speak up). Oh and today the Greens get balance of power in the federal senate and the party head is gay.

(I should say gay AND publicly in support of same-sex marriage (those two don't always go hand-in-hand, sadly))

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Hmm, guess it's time for me to get my boutique coffee beans somewhere else.

What does that even mean?

#SorryFolks #NotEqual #WhyBother #ChasngAfterTheWind #SelfEvident

#chasingafterthewind #obscurebigotry

The owner did clarify his position:

Recently, a Twitter post that was made via our company’s Twitter account has exploded into something it was never meant to be and we want to correct the record. In the post, it mentioned the differences between Natural Law and Human Law and mentioned that they were different and unequal. This was a post about CLASSICAL PHILOSOPHY and LAWS (a la Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, etc.), not PEOPLE; but somehow people began to twist what was written and added their own lies to the post to mean that somehow we at The Brown Coffee Company are hateful, homophobic, intolerant people. Those are not the facts and we regret that this has descended into something very ugly based on other people’s incorrect reading of the Twitter post. People have begun to attack our friends and business associates based on these incorrect lies and not based on the facts themselves. Other Twitter posts from others began to crop up ascribing words, thoughts and intentions to us and what we said that were NEVER said.

well that really clarifies things

Then he added:

http://browncoffeeco.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/he-smiles/

this person seems k nuts

#chasingafterthewind #obscurebigotry

― ice cr?m, Friday, 1 July 2011 14:32 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah right, i've not seen/noticed that phrase before

I couldn't find anything that associated "chasing after the wind" with opposition to gay marriage. I found a pro-gay marriage evangelical pastor (or something) who also gave a sermon about the "chasing after the wind" passage. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Is there an anti-gay marriage "chasing after the wind" movement? Dude hashtagging Ecclesiastes when he's feeling philosphical seems to accord.

Brown Coffee guy is probably a little nuts, I agree.

What is the story behind this thread title?

i mean i feel pretty confident stating this guy wasn't making some next-level allusion with #chasingthewind except maybe sorta the larger literary cache/personal spiritual resonance of ecclesiasties.

and even then, its just a nice-sounding phrase he borrowed is all, is what i'm saying, is all

ah okay

bamcquern:

Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

(starting w/ my post b/c it provides context for the set-up to Alfred's stellar knock-down)

that person needs to clarify exactly what it would mean for something to be "precluded by natural law", and until they do so, it's hardly surprising that their post reads as a rejection of gay marriage along fairly typical "you can make it legal but you can't make it right" lines but now with added pseudo-abstraction- (one can hardly accuse Plato and Aquinas of holding similar views about homosexuality, for that matter)

the very notion of invoking "natural law" in relation to homosexuality is a classic ideological move that has no scientific basis but works to reify an image of "straight" Nature- plenty of animals exhibit homosexual behavior- there's nothing "unnatural" about it if the frame here is the, you know, natural world. If, instead of the natural world, this person is hoping to erect some claim about essences or natures in an Aristotelian sense, he's still got a long way to go before this post makes sense. And that's not even touching on the likelihood that Aquinas is the real intellectual center of gravity here. If "natural law" just means "God's law" then this isn't a debate about philosophy, it's someone cloaking their religious views in terms cadged from a seeminlgy less polarizing and more high-falutin' discipline.

ugh the more I think about this move this coffee dude is making the more it annoys me. The basic move is "there's HUMAN law and there's NATURAL law . . . . but, I (a human, note) happen to know BOTH and those foolish people over there are still stuck on the petty human level"- it's pretentious in a very basic way for this person to think that they can somehow speak for / on behalf of this bugbear abstraction that they term Nature with a capital N. In scenarios like this "Nature", invoked with the rhetorical flourish of kettledrums, arrives only to squeak out the thin- pipsqueak sound of the same old Judeo-Christian, entirely and utterly "human", ideas. If they want to look Nature squarely in the face, my guess is that they will find Nature pretty much indifferent to "marriage" as such. Union, bonding, sexuality- yep, plenty of that, from atoms to enzymes to animal behavior, you will find lots of unions, bonds, partnerships, and sexytime. Marriage? not so much.

Plus, if he wants to take the high-ground of "i have my principles and I"m sticking to them" then he could at least clarify what those principles actually are. Otherwise he's a coward who's backpedaling to protect his business while claiming to not care if he loses customers. Why bother to say "I"m not a homophobe" if you're not going to bother explaining the post. In detail.

for the record america's tradition of deep frying is a beautiful thing

#SorryFolks #NotEqual

idk i feel like like that sort of glib #shrug tells you all you need to know about dude's incapacity for thoughtful reasoning

Otherwise he's a coward who's backpedaling to protect his business while claiming to not care if he loses customers.

otm. His laughable attempts at finnessing this episode consist of vague handwaving, pretending it is high-minded something-or-other. But his efforts are entirely content free, except to blame all those mean people who attacked him on false grounds, when what he really meant to say was... but let's not get into that, shall we?

He might not know what he meant to say. He's not very good at expressing himself.

The idea that this guy would tweet some fake philosophical bs and didn't mean anything about gay marriage isn't far-fetched. If he lost a lot of gay marriage supporters and gained just as many hateful coffee drinkers, I can also see how he'd feel stuck with his new dick customer base.

I can well believe his tweet was not based on a deep, abiding belief system, but was merely a smug bit of douchbaggery he whipped up on a whim because it made him feel clever, but it's meaning was pretty clear. The tag set practically went into conniptions to semaphore his intent.

#ChasingAfterTheWind just makes me think of this dude

omg, thank you so much for that

A man deeply touched by The Wizard of Oz I do not doubt.

http://i.imgur.com/gYYMF.jpg

My boss and his longtime partner got married in NY today. I'm very happy for them!

today was a good day huh
all this real nice to look through

Start posting photos of yourself so I can consider offers, btw.

http://www.filmjunk.com/images/weblog/2009/04/rickmoranisgb3.jpg

well?

Yes, but I am always the Keymaster.

lol
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My boss and his partner -- now husband! -- actually showed up on NBC Nightly News! (My boss, Tom, is on the right, and his partner Steve is on the left.)

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