god man weed nerds are something else
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 16 July 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
g--
"too chemmy" is a good descriptor of some i've gotten lately in WA. strong but...fake? fake smelling that's for sure.
― lom vucends, Saturday, 16 July 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
chemmy = not flushed right, 2 many chems
― dylannn, Saturday, 16 July 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't hating, just always forget that ppl get as into it as wine
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 16 July 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-morgan/if-you-think-supporting-m_b_902208.html
"In so many ways, all it takes to move this issue forward is a willingness to ignore the people who don't know how to have a serious conversation about marijuana. They will tell you that it's not important, even though it obviously is. They will tell you that no one cares, even though almost everyone does. And they will tell you that you'll make thousands of enemies, when new allies and friends are waiting around every corner to pledge their support and stand alongside any political leader wise enough to know that the time for change is at hand."
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
The solid South is very still slow on this trend, I expect. I just can't see the idea of ending the prohibition playing well in Texas, Georgia or Florida, even if California is more than weary of bankrolling gangsters via marijuana profits.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
In Texas & Georgia, really? I think those two will be where the movement catches hold in the south.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
^ yes
― absolutely better display name (crüt), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
and honestly I mean - Florida is a different country almost but there are a lot of people there whose symptoms could be alleviated by medical marijuana, and that's an avenue that's opening up
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
Hey, I'm all for opening up the question for a thorough public debate, but for 90% of voters the only way to initiate a debate is for some dramatic story to capture everyone's attention and focus it on the issue for a week or so. Whatever that dramatic story happens to be, it sets the framework for the discussion, and frankly, nothing about this dynamic is conducive to rational thinking, so we can only hope the irrational catalyst it provides for the debate will push people's emotions in favor of taking the rational side of the question.
It is a nice thought to "ignore the people who can't have a serious conversation about marijuana", because that kind of discussion favors ending the prohibition. Unfortunately, the general public has been fed so many slabs of television news about the horrors of drugs, and cop show plots fueled by evil druggies, and gossipy magazine articles and propaganda of every stripe in the popular media, that you can't just impose a whole new paradigm on them without resistance.
Even if our current set of politicians suddenly agreed that ending prohibition would be best, a new set of demagogues could easily supplant them, so long as the general public thinks prohibition is necessary to save them from druggies on crime sprees. This is precisely the sort of 'unserious', even ridiculous, idea that "people who can't have a serious conversation" still hold. But you can't wish those folks away. Changing enough of the public's mind means engaging with them over a long period.
Maybe the time really is right. I don't know. But I'm not averse to trying to launch as much sense into the nation as possible and then seeing how much it has the capacity to absorb.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
there are a lot of people there whose symptoms could be alleviated by medical marijuana
hoo boy
― g++ (gbx), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
I can't imagine how much weed you would have to smoke to cure the fact that you live in florida
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
^Post of the week!
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
<3
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
I actually kind of like Florida, but I couldn't just leave that dangling there.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
last week's FRONTLINE had a 25 min segment on the current legal and political situation in california
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-pot-republic/
i enjoyed
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
^^that link streams the whole thing
At last, the field of genomics has something to offer Cheech and Chong. DNA sequencing hit a new high last night with the midnight release of the Cannabis sativa genome. The raw sequence was posted on Amazon’s EC2 public cloud computing service by a young company called Medicinal Genomics, which aims to explore the genomes of therapeutic plants.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=marijuana-plant-sequenced
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=marijuana-plant-sequenced
High technology, etc.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 August 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
Looking to make a fucking mint off of a more suitable synthetic that can be marketed to big pham for millions
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
hope they do indica next
― the wheelie king (wk), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
fuck a more suitable synthetic, imo
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
We already have mutant nuclear weed, we don't need pharma. Weed is more like wine varietals and styles and pharmaceuticals will just end up being everclear/vodka.
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Honestly, who would prefer a chemical to a naturally growing plant? Gross. Also the politics of that: super duper gross.
― it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
naturally growing plant
I'm not sure one could describe most of the weed I see these days as 'naturally growing'.
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
If it grows out of the dirt, it's naturally growing, right? I mean, it may be a mutant variety, but it's grooooowing like plants do. I mean, I don't know that much about it tbh, but I imagine that it doesn't grow in a petri dish or a machine?
― it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
"natural" is a subjective term
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, a lot of hydroponic shit does kind of grow out of a petri dish.
I don't know that much about it tbh
I somehow misread this as about THC, lol.
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
I'd still rather artisinalol weed than some Monsanto fuckery, anyday.
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
i think the key thing is that as a patient you can grow your own and exercise some control over the process, but no way you can synthesize pills
after my 10 year experience with SSRIs - oh, long term, possibly permanent sexual side effects? discontinuation syndrome? elevated risk of suicidal thoughts? - i can understand people wanting to take more control over the process
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Like I said about wine above, different weed has really different effects and knowing how to choose and how to dose is really important to me.
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
so here is a cutting-edge medicinal setup that with luck might yield ~ 1 lb/month, enough for about 25 patients?
obviously the plant would never grow like that "naturally", it would die under its own weight
whether you call that "gardening" or "agriculture" or "growing in a machine" or something more ominous like "nightmare mutant frankenstein weed" is up to you
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
of course! But you know that as soon as big pharmacy can come up with a “suitable” synthetic then it puts the kibosh on any talk of medicinal marijuana in its current form and that changes the conversation to a purely recreational aspect.
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
fuck that, there's no such thing as "purely recreational aspect"
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
f you guys by the way for even being able to go to a weed store.
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
seriously though, when big pharma tries that, a nation of people is going to stand up and sit the fuck down with that. if i want to manage my blood pressure with a glass of red wine instead of a statin pill that's my goddamn right.
after a crazy 40 year boom big pharma is going to get its ass handed to it with this coming medicare thing so i don't expect they'll be guiding public policy on cannabis
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
haha stand up and SAY ...
i know!this is what they will say though "hey we have this pill now, there is no need for you guys to use this plant anymore, unless you just want to get HIGH"
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
No, we'll be all stoned, stand up all outraged, and then sit back down to try to remember why.
xpost
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Aerosol, that's what they've been saying since the 80's.
seeing as "GETTING HIGH" hurts no one and is generally part of the deal with many existing mood disorder / anxiety medications i don't see they have a leg to stand on
also thank god for fiscal crisis and chaos in mexico, seems like we are *maybe* waking up from the "drug war" nightmare?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
dude! look at what goes on here. you're over in CA going to your weed store and shit while people are getting busted for a couple of grams in THE BIG CITY http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/council-members-call-for-change-to-marijuana-possession-law/
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
my co op gave free t shirts away a little while ago and I saw some woman in my building walking around with one on and I was like hey I go there too, and she was like, what, and I was like your shirt, I go to that co op and she was like oh a friend of mine just gave this to me no wonder people have been smiling and talking to me more today
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
another reason not to hate california
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://batzbatz.com/uploads/posts/2010-02/1266562133_1997-take-california.jpg
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
i moved from california in 2002 before there were any dispensaries really :(
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
I think maybe it's a little too cynical to assume that this is just about making a pill that they can patent. Sequencing the genomes of various medicinal plants can help lead to all sorts of further scientific understanding and medical breakthroughs.
― the wheelie king (wk), Thursday, 18 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
I think maybe it's a little too cynical to assume that this is just about making a pill that they can patent.
It's just cynical enough. Pharmaceutical companies aren't non-profits!
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Thursday, 18 August 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
actually ... i don't see the scientific application at all, unless they plan to breed cannabis or identify its relatives
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
my understanding was that the application of genome sequencing was studying the genome without worrying about the details of the traits
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/nyregion/parents-minor-marijuana-arrests-lead-to-child-neglect-cases.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion
― Aerosol, Friday, 19 August 2011 11:11 (twelve years ago) link