are you now, or have you ever been, A Librarian?

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Librarians are an odd bunch. At library conferences, I usually get fed up with librarians by the 3rd day and want to go home, or pretend I'm not one of them.

We also have a penchant for booze. This sadly is not part of the librarian stereotype. Something needs to be done about this. We will drink you under the table, or atleast until we fall down from said table.

molly d (mollyd), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i've always had a fantay about being seduced by a sad, hot older librarian

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

How did you like Buffalo, Molly? Those informatics programs are terrifying. I'm surprised it closed though, it seems those are the programs that get everyone all excited.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Buffalo's program seemed pretty fine to me. It is what it is -- library school. I've heard horror stories from others' schools, and I guess UB didn't sound that bad after all. For the most part, I really enjoyed my professors. I did have the opportunity to take Advanced Cataloging which got prospective employers all riled up (in a good way) during interviews. That being said, Advanced Cataloging merely brushes upon the training you get at your job (I've been here a year and have only received my Jr. Cataloging wings). Also, I had a job lined up before I graduated (hello good fortune!), which is a major plus in my book. Unfortunately, in the sad state of library affairs, I still know a lot of people who graduated around the same time I did (about a year ago) who still don't have library jobs.

But I'm rambling!

Yeah, Informatics! What is it, exactly? It was linked to our Communications Dept. (as was the MLS program), but when Informatics bit the dust this semester, the MLS program was sent back to the School of Education, which makes sense to me.

Oh! And ALA just slapped UB on the wrist, actually, for closing its Informatics Department:

http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6363891.html

molly d (mollyd), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

In my day, we didn't have infomatics. Though my MA is technically in Information Studies, which is what Drexel was calling their MLS at the time.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh God, ALA just gave my school, C@tholic, provisional accreditation. If I graduate and the school loses its accreditation and I can't get a job, I won't be a happy librarian, I won't be a librarian at all.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh no! Ehh, I wouldn't worry about it. Do you know how long provisional status lasts? I don't even remember how often ALA comes around and does its assesment of library school programs. I can only assume that these schools are getting themselves sorted out, as no one wants to deal with a bunch of angry, recently-graduated, unemployed librarians. It could get nasty.

This is what the ALA site says:

Conditional: Some entries have a notation of (Conditional) next to them. This indicates conditional accreditation — a status assigned to a program that must make changes to comply with the 1992 Standards for Accreditation of Master’s Programs in Library and Information Studies to enable accreditation beyond the date specified by the Committee on Accreditation (COA). Please note that these programs are fully accredited under the Standards.

molly d (mollyd), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Good lord, I just started library school a few weeks ago. Is the job market really that bad!?!! Have I made the worst decision of my life?! Are there any areas (e.g. cataloging) where there are actual jobs?

askance johnson (sdownes), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes! I just went through the craziness of applying for cataloging jobs about a year ago. There are jobs to be had. Do you know where you want to work (i.e. Public, Academic, etc.?)

molly d (mollyd), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

hmmm...I don't really know...I guess I am leaning towards academic, though there is every chance that that could change....

askance johnson (sdownes), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Can you read any foreign languages? That's the ticket right there for academic cataloging jobs. You'll probably have this thrown at you over and over, but it is really about getting experience prior to getting a job. If you have the opportunity to take a digital library course, I'd highly recommend that, as catalogers who aren't quite ready to retire are getting bummed about all the prospective changes such as FAST and FRBR. Also, do as many cataloging practicums / internships as you can.

molly d (mollyd), Thursday, 14 September 2006 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

//www.flickr.com/photos/54177448@N00/244926428/

-- (688), Sunday, 17 September 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54177448@N00/244926428/

-- (688), Sunday, 17 September 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I am still a librarian! Might get to do more interesting things like critical appraisal soon. The job market in the UK, hmmm, there's not a whole lot going.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 17 September 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

amn't now, never have been a librarian.
though twice on a blue moon have considered becoming one.

tiit (tiit), Sunday, 17 September 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone know anything about what the best public libaries to work for in major or mid-size cities are? I am interested in, right now, reference, acquisitions and youth services. In the DC area, the good library systems seem to be the large suburban library systems, but I want to work in a city--for example: Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Brooklyn, Queens, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Baltimore. Any idea which of these cities have a library system that would be good to work for (has adequate funding and support)? San Francisco seems to offer nicer salaries than most places...(The director from Brooklyn just came to DC so things could get better around here, maybe.)

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 September 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I would recommend avoiding working at Philadelphia's public library.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 September 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I could provide more detail if you want to discuss this by e-mail.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 September 2006 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.newport-beach.ca.us/nbpl/index.htm

youn (youn), Monday, 18 September 2006 01:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Youn. That looks like a great library, but Newport Beach wasn't exactly what I had in mind (major or midsize city). The Santa Barbrara library was freaking gorgeous though.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 September 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, but the West Coast is different. You'll find that it matters less because no city is dense enough, except for San Francisco.

youn (youn), Monday, 18 September 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure about that. While L.A. lacks density, I imagine it has a lot more to keep me amused than the O.C. Also, I'm not really a beach person, so would want lots of other options.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 September 2006 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link

LA is probably gonna be an exciting place to be civically involved over the next generation, though perhaps later more than sooner. And cheaper living than SF?

Ohio seems conspicuously absent. And what about Seattle? Portland? Minneapolis? Madison? I don't know anything about libraries, but these seem like places that would keep them well-funded.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 18 September 2006 04:28 (seventeen years ago) link

LA always seems to be hiring, as does SF. I know the salaries in SF seem quite large, but I guess it's probably just a decent salary there. If I see job postings on the various listservs I'm on, should I send them your way?

molly d (mollyd), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

As your friendly neighborhood OC/LA library assistant -- the area does seem to be in an upturn, and a friend who I've referred this thread to is about to go back to library school around here, and would likely have more to say. (It's still not enough for me to consider going for an MLS myself, for a variety of personal reasons.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks M. and N. I'm not ready to begin searching in earnest yet--I graduate in May and then may do a paid internship at an academic library over the summer (UCLA?) but I am kind of up in the air as to where I want to live so was just wanting to check in and see if there are any sure-to-avoid inner-city libraries, or any nice-to-work-for urban libraries.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Seattle's library is way cool.

http://www.majordojo.com/photos/public_library/DSC_0558-photo.JPG

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Yea, Seattle and especially Portland seem to have progressive library systems, but then there's that whole living in the Pacific Northwest thing.

On the subject of the O.C. (and a new orchestra building): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801393.html

I thought this was a very non Post article, in that it was pretty good.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Queens is a good place to start, really. It's not without its frustrations, but they're usually hiring and you'll learn a lot in a really short time. Also, you'll really grow to resent the amount of press (and money) the NYPL gets in spite of failing to carry Queens' jock year in and year out. Plus, you know, New York City's a bit of alright.

the kinkade fire (willpie), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad to hear that. I've read that Queens is very into representing tons of languages and agressive about outreach to patrons who speak languages other English. Would I be able to work in one of the relatively close-in branches or will I be sent out to Maspeth?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.library.cmu.edu/Libraries/etc/game1/game1.swf

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link

That is quite, quite insane.

treefell, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

We will be glad to answer questions like these:

* What is the zip code to Panama City, Florida?
* What is the capital and state bird of New Mexico?
* Who wrote the patent on the Cotton Gin?

But we will be unable to answer questions like these:

* Please give me the complete history of the Roman Empire.
* Please give me a biography of Theodore Roosevelt.
* Explain to me how the stock market works

Filey Camp, Monday, 7 April 2008 10:03 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxax1xzJ321qz6f9yo1_500.jpg

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link

sign otm

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link

It is true, this.

quincie, Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

I applied for a job as Library Services Assistant. There was a digital book sorting test and somehow I only got 11/18 from the fiction shelf correct (maybe one book messed up the rest of the books). I got 18/18 from the nonfiction shelf.

Librarians, is this a sign that I won't be hired?

yookeroo, Thursday, 21 October 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

on librarian-porn literature

mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

eight years pass...

I dropped out of my library grad program today after two weeks.

I thought I would love it, but it turns out that at this juncture, my brain just can't click with it. I deferred, technically, so there's always the future (if someone can convince me that it's worth it and I don't find a sick gig in the meantime), but I have to admit that I don't think I want to be a librarian any more!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link

good move. you strike me as creative and it's not a great career for creative people ime.

this thread is partially responsible for me taking this path and i should have chosen differently but seeing as how i'm finally securely employed w/ decent benefits in a quiet job with no looming budget cuts (at least this year), i'm going to stick with it.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:56 (three years ago) link

Thanks for yr thoughts, map.

It's funny, I'm very good at certain types of tasks that are distinctly uncreative— editing papers, proofreading, building spreadsheets, etc. But for some reason, you ask me to dwell upon questions like "what is a document?" or whether records can ever be neutral and I'm just like, "this is so obvious as to be incredibly boring, why am I wasting my time with this shit." I almost feel like my own understandings of the way the world works got in the way of my being able to really click with the discipline in some way.

Kudos to you on getting a decent job, tho. I'm hoping that with some work and study, I'll get a proofreading/editing gig soon enough.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 4 September 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

i got my MLIS about a decade ago and have been working in libraries, but after getting laid off from my most recent library gig, i'm back in the corporate world and not a librarian anymore (though still working in research/info organization, so technically still using my MLIS). ironically i used part of the severance payment from my last library job to finally finish paying off the grad school student loans from getting my MLIS. the degree seems pretty pointless for the most part, it's sad that it has become almost mandatory for most professional library jobs because it's not really necessary to do the work of a librarian in most cases.

na (NA), Friday, 4 September 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link

i went to library school thinking of it mostly as a trade school, i.e., trying to get the skills and knowledge i needed to do the work rather than a deep-dive into the philosophy of information sciences or whatever. from that perspective it was pretty frustrating.

na (NA), Friday, 4 September 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link

best to you table, i hope you find something decent soon.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 4 September 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link

in retrospect i have the opinion that if a person doesn't have a pretty clear idea of what library job they want from the get-go and are like dead set on it they should probably not be paying $ for library school.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 4 September 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link

I am most interested in digitization and preservation of analog media such as VHS cassettes and tape cassettes, as well as small press books, flyers, and other cultural ephemera. I don't really care too much about the philosophy of information sciences— I just want to find solutions for objects like my pre-condom VHS gay porn collection, which seems like it is important to queer studies and media studies fields.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 4 September 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link

there really isn't a lot of technical know-how involved, it's more about who you know for that sort of thing, and who has money to fund it. i did attend a rare booksellers' school (weeklong symposium thing) where i learned that a lot of specialty booksellers have gotten into acquiring and and then selling archival material to academic institutions and private collectors.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 4 September 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link

tbh i'm glad that i'm no longer employed by / working within higher ed especially after this year but a lot of that is due to my own personal experience of disillusion.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 4 September 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I guess that I thought the MLIS might help get me into a position where I might be able to work on such projects in a real way, but I'm pretty certain it's not worth it! I just wish I had the resources to do all this work myself.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 4 September 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

Heya folks -- friend of mine (here in the US) just contacted me saying this:

wanted to pick your brain for a sec - my partner started her library science masters last fall and is coming up on the end of her first year. as you can imagine zoom university has made the whole ordeal less than ideal and she's been looking for help to kind of guide her into her next year and potential specialization.

Since I'm an assistant and not an MLIS holder nor currently on top of what hiring trends/hot areas are like, I said I'd ask around -- would anyone who feels they can provide some good perspective be available to help? If so, send me contact info via ILXmail or elsewhere and I'll pass it along. Much thanks!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link


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