Like I said about wine above, different weed has really different effects and knowing how to choose and how to dose is really important to me.
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
so here is a cutting-edge medicinal setup that with luck might yield ~ 1 lb/month, enough for about 25 patients?
obviously the plant would never grow like that "naturally", it would die under its own weight
whether you call that "gardening" or "agriculture" or "growing in a machine" or something more ominous like "nightmare mutant frankenstein weed" is up to you
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck a more suitable synthetic, imo
of course! But you know that as soon as big pharmacy can come up with a “suitable” synthetic then it puts the kibosh on any talk of medicinal marijuana in its current form and that changes the conversation to a purely recreational aspect.
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck that, there's no such thing as "purely recreational aspect"
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
f you guys by the way for even being able to go to a weed store.
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously though, when big pharma tries that, a nation of people is going to stand up and sit the fuck down with that. if i want to manage my blood pressure with a glass of red wine instead of a statin pill that's my goddamn right.
after a crazy 40 year boom big pharma is going to get its ass handed to it with this coming medicare thing so i don't expect they'll be guiding public policy on cannabis
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
haha stand up and SAY ...
i know!this is what they will say though "hey we have this pill now, there is no need for you guys to use this plant anymore, unless you just want to get HIGH"
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
No, we'll be all stoned, stand up all outraged, and then sit back down to try to remember why.
xpost
― Cuius regio, eius radicchio (Michael White), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Aerosol, that's what they've been saying since the 80's.
seeing as "GETTING HIGH" hurts no one and is generally part of the deal with many existing mood disorder / anxiety medications i don't see they have a leg to stand on
also thank god for fiscal crisis and chaos in mexico, seems like we are *maybe* waking up from the "drug war" nightmare?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
dude! look at what goes on here. you're over in CA going to your weed store and shit while people are getting busted for a couple of grams in THE BIG CITY http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/council-members-call-for-change-to-marijuana-possession-law/
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
my co op gave free t shirts away a little while ago and I saw some woman in my building walking around with one on and I was like hey I go there too, and she was like, what, and I was like your shirt, I go to that co op and she was like oh a friend of mine just gave this to me no wonder people have been smiling and talking to me more today
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
another reason not to hate california
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://batzbatz.com/uploads/posts/2010-02/1266562133_1997-take-california.jpg
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i moved from california in 2002 before there were any dispensaries really :(
― Aerosol, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I think maybe it's a little too cynical to assume that this is just about making a pill that they can patent. Sequencing the genomes of various medicinal plants can help lead to all sorts of further scientific understanding and medical breakthroughs.
― the wheelie king (wk), Thursday, 18 August 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I think maybe it's a little too cynical to assume that this is just about making a pill that they can patent.
It's just cynical enough. Pharmaceutical companies aren't non-profits!
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Thursday, 18 August 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
actually ... i don't see the scientific application at all, unless they plan to breed cannabis or identify its relatives
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
my understanding was that the application of genome sequencing was studying the genome without worrying about the details of the traits
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 18 August 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/nyregion/parents-minor-marijuana-arrests-lead-to-child-neglect-cases.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion
― Aerosol, Friday, 19 August 2011 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Disgusting.
― my brother's a basedgod (The Reverend), Friday, 19 August 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://gothamist.com/2011/09/24/ray_kelly_to_nypd_marijuana_is_decr.php
I'm pretty convinced that Bloomberg is the number one impediment to more liberal marijuana policy in NYC. Too bad he's gonna be mayor for life.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 September 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
Fed about to come down hard in cali ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kampia/obama-from-first-to-worst_b_1001781.html
― Aerosol, Monday, 10 October 2011 12:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/war-on-weed-obama-marijuana_n_1005483.html
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2011/10/10/20970/doj-vs-pot
discussion from yesterday w/ one of the u.s. attorneys involved w/ the california shutdowns. i was thinking the reporting on these particular prosecutions has been (slightly) hysterical, the dude is all over the place with some of his answers but that's still my impression.
― tremendoid, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
wanted to post this on one of the other active political threads but googleproofed here so:at this point i'm pretty much ready to vote for the first candidate that promises to legalize marijuana no matter what party
― Mordy, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
It would appear that Obama is innoculating himself from campaign accusations of being soft on druggies and of probably being a secret druggie himself, which would certainly help explain his embrace of communism, Islam, and America-hating to a lot of folks.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, you'll be interested in voting for whatever candidate the libertarians drag in, I guess.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
Who I mostly voted for in 2010: http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2010/08/the-anti-prohibition-party/183998/
― Mordy, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
Not that particular candidate tho IIRC
I can't parse this recent activity at all. Medicinal pot is a no-brainer and pot legalization in general starting to look the same way. I mean, if you're worried about pre-election stance-taking (lol pussy), just don't do anything. Idiot.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/gallup-poll-is-first-to-find-plurality-support-for-marijuana-legalization/
― 7 Crazy Chinese Mothers (will), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
presumably there's just so much money coming from the pharmaceutical industry and such a limited perceived downside from cracking down on drugs (alienate stoners + ex-felons) that a politician feels compelled to do crackdowns. i really can't imagine that these guys (and i mean guys like obama or bloomberg who have admitted history of drug use) are sincere in their prosecutions. i guess they might possibly believe that they are fulfilling the law -- even if they don't like it -- but they don't seem quite like inspector javert types to me.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
and ftr I totally get these guys not exactly getting behind it w/ full-throated support, but what's the downside of a significant ratcheting down in prosecutions at this point? most likely you'll only be burnishing yr legacy IMO
― 7 Crazy Chinese Mothers (will), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
presumably there's just so much money coming from the pharmaceutical industry ^^(on iPhone and missed this post)
But yeah all too true and just ...pathetic.
― 7 Crazy Chinese Mothers (will), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/justice-department-targets-banks-medical-marijuana-crackdown/story?id=14811540
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:54 (twelve years ago) link
Kevin Sabet, former Senior Policy Advisor to President Obama's Drug Czar, Gil Kerlikowske, and currently a consultant to drug prevention and policy organizations, said financial institutions that deal with medical marijuana organizations should be on alert.
"Smoked marijuana remains illegal in all states, and federal law -- while recognizing certain components of marijuana as having medicinal value -- does not allow the whole marijuana plant to be smoked for any purpose, including purported medical purposes," he said.
Sabet also warned that all states with legalized medical marijuana should pay attention to the enforcement actions in California.
"Remember, all actions have to be approved by Attorney General Holder, so it's hard to imagine that California would be the only place the Department of Justice is focusing on," Sabet said.
This is just like wtf? I cant even
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
"purported medical purposes"
Come the fuck on!
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:00 (twelve years ago) link
does not allow the whole marijuana plant to be smoked for any purpose
Illegal to smoke the roots, apparently.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
But legal to eat THC worms?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0npNxMvbDdiSKza1x1iTZjxyc6g?docId=857ef88e725c4bf69711ee247eba2ead
― Mordy, Monday, 31 October 2011 04:43 (twelve years ago) link
'twas the burning bush that gave the Israelites the word to escape into Canaan iirc
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Monday, 31 October 2011 07:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2011/nov/16/new_study_smart_people_more_like
Researchers discovered men with high childhood IQs were up to two times more likely to use illegal drugs than their lower-scoring counterparts. Girls with high IQs were up to three times more likely to use drugs as adults. [CNN]
So much of what we’ve been told about drugs and drug users turns out to be the opposite of the truth, it’s amazing that the anti-drug fanatics are able to find any audience at all anymore. News like this comes as a surprise only if you understand remarkably little about what drugs actually are and why people use them.It ought to be intuitive that the curiosity which comes along with above-average intelligence would also be correlated with a heightened interest in experiencing altered states of consciousness. No doubt, a little extra brain-power also serves to inoculate against believing a lot of the BS we’re fed about how certain substances will turn your brain into a turnip.
It ought to be intuitive that the curiosity which comes along with above-average intelligence would also be correlated with a heightened interest in experiencing altered states of consciousness. No doubt, a little extra brain-power also serves to inoculate against believing a lot of the BS we’re fed about how certain substances will turn your brain into a turnip.
― Mordy, Friday, 18 November 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
It ought to be intuitive that the curiosity crushing despair which comes along with above-average intelligence would also be correlated with a heightened interest in experiencing altered states of consciousness getting stoned out of your gourd.
― Quoth the raven "Nevermind" (ledge), Friday, 18 November 2011 09:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/health-and-fitness/28885-cedars-sinai-denying-transplant-to-medical-marijuana-patient-with-inoperable-liver-cancer.html
this is really fucked up.
― Aerosol, Friday, 18 November 2011 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/tony-dsouza-marijuana-growers
The New DealersFamily, kids, minivan—and drug dealing. How the recession has driven average Americans into the game.—By Tony D'Souza | November/December 2011 Issue
― Mordy, Monday, 2 January 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
"average Americans"
― crüt, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
I actually like the language of normativity for this kind of thing...
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20168e508f74d970c-pi
― Mordy, Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
Source? Just cos I'm a stoner doesn't mean I can't recognise a dishonest diagram when I see one.
― get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Sunday, 8 January 2012 10:09 (twelve years ago) link