family pack of bourbon, 12.99 at costco
― goole, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus you get to invade Florida!
― Indefensible ad vaginem attacks (Michael White), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Frabce is regretting helping us now - they are like "meirde! now they insult us everyday ! what burly cocks!"
― The Golden Vagina Shines for You and Your Lucky Day (Latham Green), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
worth noting that there were indeed NATO/other "boots" on the ground, the CIA from the beginning of the evacuation of non-libyans, and the SAS:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0307/Britain-s-SAS-in-Libya-What-happened-there/What-is-the-SAS
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/23/sas-troopers-help-coordinate-rebels
France is understood to have deployed special forces in Libya and Qatari and Jordanian special forces are believed to have also played a role.
― goole, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lol...just trust the generals, they know what's best
― karen d. foreskin (k3vin k.), Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:43 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm as long as we dont trust that rascal k3vin k
― funky house septics (D-40), Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:06 PM (3 hours ago)
lol what's the point of authorizing military action at home, or even being honest when voting on a UN mission (just a no-fly zone!)? everything worked out fine, we knew it would anyway, always does, except for the times it doesn't
― karen d. foreskin (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
fuckin liberals
Dude, there are CIA all over the place all the time!
― Indefensible ad vaginem attacks (Michael White), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Cia in my rectum
― The Golden Vagina Shines for You and Your Lucky Day (Latham Green), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
rectum? cia damn near killed um.
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, the ol' rectum comedic line...
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
NY Times on upcoming international conference and plans for a new constitution and election
The international conference on Sept. 1, which is expected to include more than 30 countries, with China, Russia and Brazil also invited, will be guided by the new Libyan leadership, Mr. Sarkozy said. Mr. Jibril said that Sept. 1 was especially important for Libyans, "because it was on Sept. 1 that Qaddafi came to power 40 years ago.”
Mr. Jibril promised an inclusive, just Libya and laid out a procedure for a new government that would begin with an assembly of Libyans from all major cities, towns and regions to elect a group to draft a new constitution and name a transitional government. A draft constitution will be put to a referendum by Libyans, and new elections overseen by United Nations observers will take place within four months for a new parliament and a new government to replace the transitional one, Mr. Jibril said.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The international conference on Sept. 1, which is expected to include more than 30 countries, with China, Russia and Brazil also invited, will be guided by the new Libyan leadership, Mr. Sarkozy said. Mr. Jibril said that Sept. 1 was especially important for Libyans, "because it was on Sept. 1 that Qaddafi came into my rectum 40 years ago.”
― The Golden Vagina Shines for You and Your Lucky Day (Latham Green), Thursday, 25 August 2011 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
god bless you, Hanle y
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
in realted news did you read that story about how the North Koreans miss their "beloved leader" and how they "pine for him" and have "endless meloncholia" about him being away? what an f-ed up country. Its as if Kim Jon Il is in ALL of their rectums
― The Golden Vagina Shines for You and Your Lucky Day (Latham Green), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I missed that.
Below are various right-wingers on Libya (not all in agreement): we should have used American might and done it quicker; nah we should not have gone in at all; now they're going to have Islamic fundamentalist shariah governing no matter what they say about freedom and liberty; why hasn't Obama announced a post-revolution plan for Libya; Obama gets a B says one
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/25/obama-libya-fox-news
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
found in Gadhafi's lair: 1 photo album filled with pictures of Condoleezza Rice
http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/hetu/files/2011/08/pb-110825-condi-moammar-da-03.photoblog900-420x279.jpg
― peter in montreal, Thursday, 25 August 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I like to think it was found under Gadhafi's mattress
― peter in montreal, Thursday, 25 August 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
that's actually Qaddafi in last year's Halloween costume, guys.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
#tinyrevolution Watching Libya on TV. Haven't been this excited about a war ending since the Northern Alliance took Kabul on November 13, 2001!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Morbs and Oliver North are almost in agreement!:
North agreed that the whole thing was yet another case of "irrational exuberance". He didn't think it was a bad thing to see the back of Gaddafi, but we still don't know where the fallen dictator is (though he's clearly not running Libya any longer), and he is pretty sure that there are months of chaos ahead and that it may well become a "Somalia with oil, with tribal warlords and, of course, piracy".
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
figured Morbz would be into pirates, tbh
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i like to think the photo album said "nubian goddess" on the spine
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
piracy on the Mediterranean, seems a little unlikely
― goole, Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
somalia with oil, huh? wonder how many helicopters and navy seals we could squander there.
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
COndolezza will please ya
― The Golden Vagina Shines for You and Your Lucky Day (Latham Green), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Geeenwald on how Obamahawks are sounding ludicrously 'Mission Accomplished' this week:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/24/obama/index.html
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I urge everyone to read this brief though amazing compilation of U.S. media commentary from 2003 after U.S. forces entered Baghdad: in which The Liberal Media lavished Bush with intense praise for vanquishing Saddam, complained that Democrats were not giving the President the credit he deserved, and demanded that all those loser-war-opponents shamefully confess their error. Sound familiar?
lazy, innacurate comparison. stopped reading.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
all Islamic dictators and countries are the same, apparently
Comparisons to Somalia are really crazy/uninformed.
― textbook blows on the head (dowd), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
that too
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like these guys look at a map and think "well, they're nearby, must be identical"
yeah well the triumphalism has been ridiculous -- QDF still at large, transitional organization still totally unknown, infrastructure wrecked, military elements of the old regime still unknown. some kind of anti-anti-obama derangement frankly.
― goole, Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
triumphalism is always ridiculous
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
miami heat pants being worn...
― The Golden Vagina Shines for You and Your Lucky Day (Latham Green), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Later Greenwald says: "no matter how vast you believe the differences are between Libya and Iraq (and there are significant differences)..."
But despite those differences Greenwald sticks to his meme that Obama is Dubya (torture, unconstitutional actions, implying that NATO's bombing is the same as Iraq war Bush). While in many foreign policy matters that may be true, here it seems more of a stretch.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0825/Lessons-from-Iraq-for-Libya-Don-t-do-what-the-US-did
Here's a more reasoned comparison(not the best article title though)
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 August 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Libya = Iraq is one of the laziest, most disingenous arguments you can make. "Sound familiar?" Sure, if you pick and choose the bits that overlap and ignore the huge fucking differences.
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
QDF still at large, transitional organization still totally unknown, infrastructure wrecked, military elements of the old regime still unknown. some kind of anti-anti-obama derangement frankly.
otm
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― goole, Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:50 PM (4 hours ago)
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred get your defense secretary in line
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
please to point out where I have been a "triumphalist" on this thread
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it's accurate to call the transitional organization "totally unknown", that's about as far as I'll go in disagreeing with goole.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I wasn't pointing at you, Mr. Secretary -- I was remarking on the number of fools in journalism and Beltwaytocracy already crowing about who 'won.'
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
lol how about "pretty unknown, probably not very reliable"
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean look just for the record i'm not like, totally against what nato's doing over there - i think it'd be really sweet if the us's decision to go to war at least had the pretense of some sort of democratic process, and it'd be nice if nato were actually honest about what the mission was when the time for a vote was held and had to be held to that mission at least somewhat. i realize the former is pretty much a 19th-century preference for most people, including liberals, but hey. i just think ppl are being pretttttttty naive about this whole thing like there's not a 90% chance it's going to be a complete hellhole in a few months when these rebels actually have to govern
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know enough about Libyan tribal politics and behind-the-scenes coordination with NATO/other countries to really say how well structured they are at this point. their spokesman talks a good game about reconciliation and the path forward - move rebel gov't to Tripoli, re-establish critical services as quickly as possible, allow holdovers from previous admin to continue to serve, referendum to establish interim gov't that will propose a constitution followed by a full vote, etc. Naturally there's a lot of uncertainty - there's still fighting going on! - but this seems like the most reasonable series of steps one can recommend in all this chaos.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
their = the rebel gov't obviously
They're going to have a Constitutional convention and then elections next April.
There's a multi-national meeting scheduled for September 1st
― giraffes have been heard making strange flutelike sounds! (Michael White), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
90% chance it's going to be a complete hellhole in a few months when these rebels actually have to govern
I wouldn't even pretend to know what the odds are. How willing the eastern tribes are to forego any kind of revenge on western tribes seems key, and then there's the berbers... who knows really.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link