Matrix Revolutions

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They're *in* the computer?

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

why anyone would want to leave the Matrix anyway

some people just can't handle the fact they got beat down by some smartass robots. i think if it was me, and i think i know me tho i can't be sure, i would like to live my life as much on the 'outside' and as close to the truth as possible. it was only Matrix v1.0 which was supposedly the real deal utopia where nothing fucked up but apparently we puny fleshlings just can't deal with that.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

Errrgh, no, it's unnecessary. I was much happier when he reentered the Matrix and his eyes grew back. See: further proof that the Matrix is better than this so-called for-shit real world that Morpheus is so enamored with.

The Matrix is better in all ways possible:
1) Super kung fu skills for no apparent reason
2) Flying!
3) Everyone wears either leather, rubber, or crazy goth Maoist costumes all the time (contrast this with the horrifying dumpsterhippie chic sported by everyone in Zion)
4) Choices of food besides plain oatmeal
5) Sunlight
6) Distinct lack of people who wander around talking like drunk third year philosophy majors.

I would commit suicide if I was stuck in Zion.

xpost: Tracer Hand, computer flowers. DON'T. NEED. WATER!!!

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

what if it had been like Monsters Inc and the machines thought they got more power out of humans by triggering the most horrific and torturous images in their brains virtually. only for Neo to come along and show them that they get twice the power by treating us all to mental pictures of kittens with glowsticks and whatnot

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

The only "drawback" to the Matrix is Agent Smith and really I don't know if he's so much a "drawback" being the best character in the series and all.

Well, that and the whole "being a slave to robots who are sucking your life force" thing but I think I wouldn't mind that soooo much. If I had to choose between listening to Morpheus, who is clearly completely fucked in his head, and being a robot battery, I think I'd choose robot battery to be honest. Morpheus just sounds like my crazy ex boyfriend and it wasn't amusing when he talked like that either :/

xpost stevem that idea rules!!!!!!!!!

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

the new ilx server runs on kittens with glowsticks.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

that's why everyone's happy now.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

Zion has APUs to play with, the Matrix don't. no contest.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

FYI I enjoyed the film while I was watching it and I'd see it again! I just don't think it was a very good film and I thought the ending was for shit though I like it better having read that equation-balancing explanation which was kind of obvious in retrospect but at the time I was just like, "This is so gay."

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

Zion v the Matrix is the film equivalent of the hippies v goths thread.

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

I think I'd choose robot battery to be honest

"damn you rock'em and sock'em robots, can't we just get along?!"

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

heheh steve you're totally right as well that the sentinels missed a trick by not having humans strapped right onto their exoskeletons: portable battery packs! The battery-humans could even make strangulated R2D2-noises during the battle sequences, how cute would that be!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

or the hell with it, deduce that the most energy humans extrapolate is during sex and turn it into The Matrix Orgython

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

I call dibs on the neck brace!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

something else that bugged me: why didn't the Smiths take out Seraph and the lil girl when they had the chance?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe she defeated them with a rainbow that shot bullets! of PURE LOVE.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.glutino.com/images_recipe/25.jpg

TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Was anyone else disappointed that the only implications of Agent Smith entering the real world = Neo's eye booboo? I thought that shit was gonna be like MAD HYSTERIA or something.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

yeh exactly. Bain was pretty cool and was under-used - i'm amazed this film wasn't three hours long either given the amount of stuff they had to try and cover (no wonder it came off half-cock)

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

The robots are illogical, why do they bother replicating themselves?

jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

I loved it!

rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

stevem- I think the implication is that seraph is one of those bizarrely powerful semi-relic programs like the merovingian. doesn't smith say something like "i've been trying to kill you forever" or some variant? presumably he busted out mad skillz. i think there are also implications that the little girl is some kind of neo-equivalent, a program who is escaping the matrix and comes with some powers. maybe

rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

i loved the blinding! there's no reason not to start wrecking your characters when it's the end. plus obvious symbolism, tiresias etc etc

rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

My favorite character: the guy who kept saying "He's out of his goddamn mind!" Dude was the only person in the movie who talked a bit of sense
ha ha! that guy was the best. "i should have beat it out of him." he was totally speaking for the audience. all the freedom fighters are obviously lunatic zealots who can't even agree on the best plans.

rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

The robots are illogical, why do they bother replicating themselves?

same reasons humans do - as the narrator says in The Second Renaissance 'man made machine in his image'

the little girl was the new Oracle i thought - but the old Oracle came back when the Architect/Machine God did an undo on all SMith's meddling anyway.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

Second Renaissance? Are you following the talking bits or something? ;)

jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

Tracer, you're thinking of They Might Be Giants, not the Matrix.

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

I built a little empire out of some crazy garbage
Called the blood of the exploited working class
But they've overcome their shyness
Now they're calling me Your Highness
And a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"

I destroyed a bond of friendship and respect
Between the only people left who'd even look me in the eye
Now I laugh and make a fortune
Off the same ones that I tortured
And a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"

I look like Jesus, so they say
But Mr. Jesus is very far away
Now you're the only one here who can tell me if it's true
That you love me and I love me

I built a little empire out of some crazy garbage
Called the blood of the exploited working class
But they've overcome their shyness
Now they're calling me Your Highness
And a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"
Yes a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"

TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

And you stare at me
In your Jesus Christ pose
Arms held out
Like you've been carrying a load
And you swear to me
You don't want to be my slave

But you're staring at me
Like I need to be saved
In your Jesus Christ pose
Arms held out
In your Jesus Christ pose
Thorns and shroud
Like it's the coming of the Lord
And I swear to you
That I would never feed you pain

But your staring at me
Like I'm driving the nails
In your Jesus Christ pose
And you stare at me
In your Jesus Christ pose
Arms held out like it's
The coming of the Lord

And would it pay you more to walk on water
Then to wear a crown of thorns
It wouldn't pain me more to bury you rich
Then to bury you poor
In your Jesus Christ pose

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

Particle man, particle man
Doing the things a particle can
What's he like? It's not important
Particle man

Is he a dot, or is he a speck?
When he's underwater does he get wet?
Or does the water get him instead?
Nobody knows, Particle man

Triangle man, Triangle man
Triangle man hates particle man
They have a fight, Triangle wins
Triangle man

Universe man, Universe man
Size of the entire universe man
Usually kind to smaller man
Universe man

He's got a watch with a minute hand,
Millenium hand and an eon hand
When they meet it's a happy land
Powerful man, universe man

Person man, person man
Hit on the head with a frying pan
Lives his life in a garbage can
Person man

Is he depressed or is he a mess?
Does he feel totally worthless?
Who came up with person man?
Degraded man, person man

Triangle man, triangle man
Triangle man hates person man
They have a fight, triangle wins
Triangle man

TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

Hahaha dude, this one time we had to do a "found art video" about a piece of poetry (!!! I have no idea what this means!!!) and so we chose that song and just drew a picture of what we decided these "men" looked like (uh, they look like a dot, a globe, and a triangle in case anyone couldn't figure that out) and filmed it. Just like three screens of this, plus the song in the background. SOMEHOW THIS GOT AN A+!!!!!!!!!! I also did this to Born in the USA when we were asked to do a very similar project for another class but that's another story, a story involving the question "Why the fuck was this such a popular assignment at Rhodes Jr. High?"

I kind of think the ends of both of these short "found art videos" were better than the ending of Matrix Revolutions though :/

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

SHIT person man!! I forgot to explain person man!! Person man was a stick figure with my friend Josh's head glued to it. A photo of his head, I mean. That's probably why we got that A, in retrospect.

Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

Hm.

The final battle in the skies is like Superman II (1980), only nowhere near as fun.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link

I fear!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1145502.jpg

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

Just loved the graphic (as found on another board's Revolutions thread) and had to post it.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 10 November 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

It is pretty great. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Having finally seen this movie, I have come to the conclusion that I am better at noticing details in movies than most people, because I keep thinking that anyone who still had questions as to what was going on by the end of it really wasn't paying attention.

- The Smiths did take out Seraph and Sati; the Smith who confronted The Oracle in her apartment was the Smithized Sati, much like the Smith who confronted Neo was the Smithized Oracle.

- The robots intentionally grimmed up the atmosphere to make life inimical to the free humans. This was mentioned in the first movie, IIRC.

- The rules defining the Matrix are different now; anyone who wants to leave and go to Zion can do so; the people in the Matrix are being given the choice. Likewise, the programs with "no purpose" which would normally have been deleted, like Sati, are now free to exist within the Matrix.

- The end of the Neo/Smith fight: Neo lets himself get absorbed by the Smiths. Neo is jacked into the Matrix via the Source of the robot city. As soon as he gets absorbed, the robot city sends a gigantic fuck-off power surge through his body. NeoSmith blows up. However, NeoSmith is also insanely fuckoff powerful and takes all of the Smiths with him (most likely due to the "opposites attract"/"balance the equation" thing, with an allusion to the symmetry of Neo creates/Smith destroys shown back in the first movie). All of the programs infected by Smith are freed, presumably along with all of the people.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

but why is Sati lying on the sidewalk when Smithworld is undone? if she had been Smithed she would not be there at all no?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

also what are the machines doing with Neo's body at the end? it looked like he was being revived, perhaps just as a program?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

but why is Sati lying on the sidewalk when Smithworld is undone?

Why was the Oracle lying in the pit at the end of the Smith explosion? Becasue the Smith infection had been driven from her.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

Also, is it particularly important what the machines were going to do with Neo's body at the end?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

Why was the Oracle lying in the pit at the end of the Smith explosion? Becasue the Smith infection had been driven from her.

woah i hadn't even noticed this and i watched chunks of it last night (divx download)!

Also, is it particularly important what the machines were going to do with Neo's body at the end?

potentially yes

stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

It's the Christ/Arthur/god-knows-what-else motif of the body of the legendary figure being taken away to a mysterious and unknown place, where he is kept from the brink of death until he rises again (also alluded to in the Oracle saying that they'd see Neo again some time).

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 1 December 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

yeh, she 'suspected so' - but what of the hero Smith?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

The films are not meant to be hermetic.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 1 December 2003 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

- The robots intentionally grimmed up the atmosphere to make life inimical to the free humans. This was mentioned in the first movie, IIRC.

I thought it was the other way around - the human scientists caused the permanent could to destroy the solar energy of the computers.

I can't remember enough, but I think the only recognizable things we see after the Smithplosion are programs - it's not entirely clear that there are any humans left ("there are levels of survival that we are comfortable with").

I'm basically bitter about the whole thing because I feel complicit - I did a lot of cheerleading of the "it's only half a movie" sort after Reloaded, and in fact I got bad bad warmovie instead.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

the machines maintained the damage the humans did to the Earth/sky as it didn't affect them too much

it seems that only programs can be retrieved after Smithery and not humans in the Matrix.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

It did affect them. That is when they came up with the whole podded human living out life in matrix thing.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link


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