― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
some people just can't handle the fact they got beat down by some smartass robots. i think if it was me, and i think i know me tho i can't be sure, i would like to live my life as much on the 'outside' and as close to the truth as possible. it was only Matrix v1.0 which was supposedly the real deal utopia where nothing fucked up but apparently we puny fleshlings just can't deal with that.
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
The Matrix is better in all ways possible:1) Super kung fu skills for no apparent reason2) Flying!3) Everyone wears either leather, rubber, or crazy goth Maoist costumes all the time (contrast this with the horrifying dumpsterhippie chic sported by everyone in Zion)4) Choices of food besides plain oatmeal5) Sunlight6) Distinct lack of people who wander around talking like drunk third year philosophy majors.
I would commit suicide if I was stuck in Zion.
xpost: Tracer Hand, computer flowers. DON'T. NEED. WATER!!!
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link
Well, that and the whole "being a slave to robots who are sucking your life force" thing but I think I wouldn't mind that soooo much. If I had to choose between listening to Morpheus, who is clearly completely fucked in his head, and being a robot battery, I think I'd choose robot battery to be honest. Morpheus just sounds like my crazy ex boyfriend and it wasn't amusing when he talked like that either :/
xpost stevem that idea rules!!!!!!!!!
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link
"damn you rock'em and sock'em robots, can't we just get along?!"
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link
same reasons humans do - as the narrator says in The Second Renaissance 'man made machine in his image'
the little girl was the new Oracle i thought - but the old Oracle came back when the Architect/Machine God did an undo on all SMith's meddling anyway.
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link
But you're staring at me Like I need to be saved In your Jesus Christ pose Arms held out In your Jesus Christ pose Thorns and shroud Like it's the coming of the Lord And I swear to you That I would never feed you pain
But your staring at me Like I'm driving the nails In your Jesus Christ pose And you stare at me In your Jesus Christ pose Arms held out like it's The coming of the Lord
And would it pay you more to walk on water Then to wear a crown of thorns It wouldn't pain me more to bury you rich Then to bury you poor In your Jesus Christ pose
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link
I kind of think the ends of both of these short "found art videos" were better than the ending of Matrix Revolutions though :/
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
The final battle in the skies is like Superman II (1980), only nowhere near as fun.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 10 November 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 10 November 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link
- The Smiths did take out Seraph and Sati; the Smith who confronted The Oracle in her apartment was the Smithized Sati, much like the Smith who confronted Neo was the Smithized Oracle.
- The robots intentionally grimmed up the atmosphere to make life inimical to the free humans. This was mentioned in the first movie, IIRC.
- The rules defining the Matrix are different now; anyone who wants to leave and go to Zion can do so; the people in the Matrix are being given the choice. Likewise, the programs with "no purpose" which would normally have been deleted, like Sati, are now free to exist within the Matrix.
- The end of the Neo/Smith fight: Neo lets himself get absorbed by the Smiths. Neo is jacked into the Matrix via the Source of the robot city. As soon as he gets absorbed, the robot city sends a gigantic fuck-off power surge through his body. NeoSmith blows up. However, NeoSmith is also insanely fuckoff powerful and takes all of the Smiths with him (most likely due to the "opposites attract"/"balance the equation" thing, with an allusion to the symmetry of Neo creates/Smith destroys shown back in the first movie). All of the programs infected by Smith are freed, presumably along with all of the people.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link
Why was the Oracle lying in the pit at the end of the Smith explosion? Becasue the Smith infection had been driven from her.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:03 (twenty years ago) link
woah i hadn't even noticed this and i watched chunks of it last night (divx download)!
Also, is it particularly important what the machines were going to do with Neo's body at the end?
potentially yes
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 1 December 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 1 December 2003 18:03 (twenty years ago) link
I thought it was the other way around - the human scientists caused the permanent could to destroy the solar energy of the computers.
I can't remember enough, but I think the only recognizable things we see after the Smithplosion are programs - it's not entirely clear that there are any humans left ("there are levels of survival that we are comfortable with").
I'm basically bitter about the whole thing because I feel complicit - I did a lot of cheerleading of the "it's only half a movie" sort after Reloaded, and in fact I got bad bad warmovie instead.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link
it seems that only programs can be retrieved after Smithery and not humans in the Matrix.
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link