lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
btw fwiw a pdf of shannon's orig monograph of "a mathematical theory of communcation" is here
again, having been out of math class for the better part of a decade, i don't pretend to keep up with the whole thing--gleick's book has been a pretty invaluable conceptual guide.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
i once met one of claude shannon's grandchildren ... grandchild intimidated me w/ braininess, can't imagine what the man himself was like.
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
The fundamental problem of communication is that of reproducing at one point either exactly or ap-proximately a message selected at another point. Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they referto or are correlated according to some system with certain physical or conceptual entities. These semanticaspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem.
this makes me lol every time i reread it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
"frequently there is meaning. idgaf."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
“Even when you get several stages in, it’s still looking pretty real,” Saatchi creative director Alex Flint said about the campaign in 2008. “I think even the most cynical, anti-advertising guy will appreciate the depth and length to which we’ve gone.”
― Jews Did Irene (Hurting 2), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know why but the tildes in this thread title make it one of my favorite thread titles ever
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 12, 2011 11:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
YES!
Me too! The tildes make me hear ~THE INTERNET~ as the ~TO YOU~ from this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7hGMMIyfE
Every goddamn time
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
future of THE INTERNET
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
^^ gets it
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
"there's this bias in any net environment that everything should scale, it's very hard to be satisfied on one level of reality--some venture capitalist always wants to know 'how does this scale?' scale this, motherfucker"
<3 <3 <3
http://www.rushkoff.com/blog/2011/9/22/toward-a-peer-to-peer-economy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+douglasrushkoff+%28Douglas+Rushkoff%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
no thanks
― am0n, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
yr welcome
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+douglasrushkoff+%28Douglas+Rushkoff%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
― am0n, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://livestre.am/12B4I
there u baby
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
i meant no thanks to the rushkoff, the superfluous url stuff was just an afterthought ; )
― am0n, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
fair enuff
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
the past of ~the internet~
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111901425213768112631/albums/5654055509127305937
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://sites.google.com/site/gallantlabucb/publications/nishimoto-et-al-2011https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo
― jeff tWEEDy (diamonddave85), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
cant wait for the stylish jawbone bluetooth fmri to wear while watching hours of youtubes, helping the collective consciousness learn how to reconstruct brain images
― jeff tWEEDy (diamonddave85), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
xpost to hoooos
it's kinda weird how amazon hasn't really changed all that much since 1995. compared to other 1995-era sites it looks like next-level shit.
― rebels against newton (Z S), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
for real, bezos been on that other level
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
what the fuck does jeff bezos have to do with what the site looks like?
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
. . .
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, Steve Jobs has been held up as some sort of design auteur but his skill was always having enough sense to know that aesthetics and experience were important AND hire people capable of enacting that ethos. Has there ever been an article pointing to Jeff Bezos as crafter of the user experience?
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
No, but I'm sure that at some point he had some final say over the design.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.blueorigin.com/
― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1381&doc_id=233226
― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, September 23, 2011 8:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_09/b4121034637296.htm
more recently, article after article talks about him fighting for one click to mean "one click"
you think amazon's ux that's remained relatively stable for more than a decade just emerged spontaneously from some lucky coding?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
amazon tablet announcement next week btw
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
thx 4 that article hoos, will read
I wouldn't want one click to mean one click. Who would besides a compulsive internet shopper? And I don't think that one click has all that much to do with the quality of amazon's user experience. I also don't think that there aren't significant design flaws on amazon, that it deserves any status besides "above average" or "got there first" or "hasn't obsolesced." I've had to look around and learn the layout of the pages on the site as much as I would on any other adequately designed site, and its layout of links, options, and tools for sellers takes even more learning.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
The "one click is one click" angle is definitely important and relevant. However, I'm speaking more to the parts of user experience that deal with interface design and actual web interactions and the closest the article you sent gets to that is: "Customer experience includes having the lowest price, having the fastest delivery, having it reliable enough so that you don't need to contact anyone. Then you save customer service for those truly unusual situations."
That's kind of a far cry from web experience! That speaks more to supply chain, which Amazon does remarkably well.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of agree on the "one click" thing being essential as well. At the time of its introduction, it was seen more as a patent trolling type of situation, and outside of specific products (mostly digital media), I don't find it particularly necessary. I tend to either shift things from a wish list to a buy list, or put together actual orders of multiple items.
fwiw, Bezos's name does appear on the one click patent:http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5960411&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP#
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
amazon's great
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
amazon priiiiiiiiiiime
To be fair, the supply chain is kind of part of the web experience. It has to be integrated into the overall design, and customers aren't necessarily going to separate the two in their impression of a website.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
the "if it works, it works" argument
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
I also remember people complaining about Amazon's poor customer service for years! They were notorious for not having a published phone number anywhere on the site. They now have it as an option after bouncing through a troubleshooting dialog about order problems.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
never have problems w/ amazon -- prime!!!
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
they're also shitty to their temp workers
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-allentown-amazon-complaints-20110917,0,7937001,full.story
― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
shit just shows up! fast!
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
I think my point is that while the big picture is a relevant part of user experience (yeah, UX) that the particular web design part of it isn't one that I've seen with a direct link to Bezos.
That doesn't necessarily mean that there are designers that have been there for the last fifteen years who should have the credit, or that Bezos has no input in the hiring, but part of having a well-run business is the ability to hire talented people. Generally, giving people credit starts at the top but should really flow down, while blame too often is laid on the lower tiers when it should make its way up. No executive does an excellent job without relying on talented people, and no grunt worker really fails without levels of management having failed in some way.
markers I also have amazon prime but it's not the solution to everything :)
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'm speaking more to the parts of user experience that deal with interface design and actual web interactions and the closest the article you sent gets to that is: "Customer experience includes having the lowest price, having the fastest delivery, having it reliable enough so that you don't need to contact anyone. Then you save customer service for those truly unusual situations."
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, September 23, 2011 8:36 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'll own up here that when i said 'bezos on that other level' i was sorta pulling it out of my ass as shorthand for 'amazon knows what its doing wrt ux'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
I want the name and title of all of your managers, hoos, so I can give them credit when you do something insightful
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
and that the consistency of ux bespeaks a consistency of vision that suggests a braintrust, and that i'd be surprised if bezos himself wasn't part of that in some way
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
I like how markers makes fun of things while at the same time being extremely sincere about them. It's like he's merged the sarcastic meaning with the literal meaning.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
i do live prime tbh
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
i love physical books and being able to get them in two days is really nice -- esp. w/ amazon's selection & prices
love, not live
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link