tv shows within tv shows: an ocd thread for jaymc and nabisco

For any formal recursively enumerable (i.e., effectively generated) theory T including basic arithmetical truths and also certain truths about formal provability, T includes a statement of its own consistency if and only if T is inconsistent.

Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory.

i.e. "This statement is false"

i.e. "I am not Fran Drescher"

in this roseanne episode, john popper of blues traveler plays a fictional musician named stingray who fronts a band that dan used to be in. however, jackie thinks that several of "stingray's" songs are about her, including one called "runaround." then when the band plays at the end, they play the blues traveler songs "runaround" and "the hurt."

I guess this is similar to Curb Your Enthusiasm, but I was just thinking about this w/r/t Altman's The Player, where we are asked to imagine a Hollywood full of dozens of real-life celebrities but not Tim Robbins, Whoopi Goldberg, Lyle Lovett, etc. Looking at IMDB, I see that Susan Sarandon is one of the many celebs who plays herself; in the world of the movie, who is she romantically involved with?

i remember "possible worlds" theory giving me the vocab/tools to talk about this sort of thing in a postmodern/meta lit course, vaguely

I just found this board, but I think I'm able to take in the subject of what you are all making posts about.

One obvious show that you all have missed -- Saturday Night Live! They do this all the time! From Alec Baldwin confusing Sarah Palin for Tina Fey (who is doing her fantastic impression in the next room) (10/18/08) to the real Alex Trebek making an appearance on his famed Jeopardy! game show (5/18/02). How can the IRL Alex Trebek explain that there is another Alex Trebek hosting his own Jeopardy! game show? (With outdated answer board from the Art Fleming days.)

Then there was last week's episode (1/31/09) when Steve Martin invites Kristen Wiig to an orgy in his dressing room, but later, as a member of "The Introverts", does not join Neil and Jean for their traditional threesome!

There are many instances of this occurring on Saturday Night Live through out its stories 33-year history.

Tim and Eric do this pretty much constantly.

I don't have a particularly high standard of coherent-world realism with comedy/variety shows, though.

I mean, I don't get weirded out that SNL cast members are in multiple sketches as different characters OMG, or anything like that.

T&E's stuff with Ed Begley Jr. and Jeff Goldblum is pretty out there tho'.

Big fan of the Jeff Goldblue Man Group.

Tracy: Make fun of me all you want Liz Lemon. Do you know that they ruin anybody who they think are making black people look bad? They tanked 50 Cent’s movie. They blew out Terrell Owens ankle. And they cancelled Eddie Murphy’s Oscar, ‘cause he had ran out on Scary Spice. And now they after Tracy Jordan!

so in 30 rock's world what show did eddie murphy get his start on?

Maybe SNL was canceled after Ebersol's last season.

so in 30 rock's world what show did eddie murphy get his start on?

Ray-Ray's Mystery Garage, duh

in freaks & geeks, sam weir has a "1941" poster on his bedroom wall. one of the stars of "1941" was joe flaherty, who plays sam weir's dad

so in 30 rock's world what show did eddie murphy get his start on?

― harry s tfuman (and what), Friday, February 20, 2009 5:48 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i always thought it was insane that in that studio 60 on the sunset strip show SNL actually existed

ooh good one xopst

slocks - they're competing shows, on different networks, on different coasts...

so studio 60 is actually about mad tv

slocks - they're competing shows, on different networks, on different coasts...

― go back to ur game of Croquette ye posho's (stevie), Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:20 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ya it just made no sense.

i think it only made sense in the sense that it was also a world that had a different network called NBS which I think occupied a niche somewhere between NBC and PBS

which would explain why they thought Gilbert and Sullivan parodies were some next level shit

haha

it just seemed to be it was so obv supposed to be about SNL that actually having real-SNL in there was dumb. i mean their show was supposed to have this big proud history going back years... it was just weird that there were supposed to be like TWO shows like that

guys it still bugs me that eddie murphy is famous in 30 rock's universe

i guess just because so many other famous people referenced on the show who maybe hosted snl once or whatever eddie murphy in my head is inseperable from snl

aw yeah no doubt - i mean, that was the least of the show's probs, to be honest. i did really love it though, for all its many faults.

xp to slocki

isnt there some episode where jack gets really into friends--and schwimmer and aniston have both been on the show

guys it still bugs me that eddie murphy is famous in 30 rock's universe

Maybe Rick James just took Eddie under his wing and he became famous for "Party All the Time".

I don't think it's too far-fetched to imagine that one of the many late night sketch shows that cropped up in the wake of SNL in the late 70s and 80s survived, maybe as a more upscale 'intellectual' brand (rather than less, like Mad TV), and became an institution in its own right. I mean, the Tonight Show used to have no real competitors/equals, but it does now.

but the joke is his oscar nom for dreamgirls

although lol at a world where dude gets an acting career on back of party all the time

maybe Eddie got to movies from a sitcom instead of SNL

maybe he was Theo Huxtable!!!!

as an HBO watching youngster, i was always bothered by the scene in just one of the guys where the main character chick playing a dude is described as looking like "the karate kid" because william zabka is the high school jerk in just one of the guys, and yeah, also in the karate kid

I was bothered that the main guy in it looked like a 35 year old teacher instead of a student.

I guess something similar (maybe) happens in O Lucky Man, when Malcolm MacDowell's character Mick Travis ends up auditioning for a part in the first film, If..., implying a fictional If... in this universe. The other characters recurring from the earlier film complicate things further. Then Mick is shocked into a zazen acceptance of the circumstances by being slapped across the face with the physicality of the script for If..., by it's director. Even though it's a fictional script wielded by a fictional director hitting a fictional character, which all have real world counterparts, and the paradox-accepting hit across the face leads the film to descend, Blazing Saddles style, into a party which transcends the fiction of either film - maybe even becoming documentary of a real cast party for the film. I dunno, it seems somehow relevant.

Riddle me this: Does the movie Poor Cow exist in the world of The Limey?

did you just say "riddle me this"?

Ilx turning into gotham city.

http://www.posterpalace.com/images/stills/batman66penguinS.jpg
"i suspect FOWL play at the hands of that birdbrained andtwat!"

eddie murphy in my head is inseperable from snl

Huh -- I don't have this at all! Maybe because I became old enough to notice pop culture right around the same time he was getting big in movies instead?

I would get a little jolt if they ever referred to Martin Lawrence, though, given all the Tracy stuff in the first season

also tracy morgan was on the show martin

^^ Actually technically the train of thought there also has to do with all Tracy's ridiculous fat-suit movies, which ... hahaha it's not unreasonable to figure that if Murphy didn't do that stuff, then maybe Lawrence wouldn't, then where would Tracy be

i saw your train of thought i was just adding to the ocd

Hustle Man (portrayed by comedian Tracy Morgan): This character was the neighborhood purveyor of questionable products and services "at a discount rate! I don't do dat for erra'body! I'm just tryna help YOU out!" He always greeted Martin with his trademark "What's happenin', chief?" In one episode, one of Hustle Man's more outrageous items for sale was an 'appetizing' array of roasted pigeons impaled on a tree branch (as if barbecued on it), which he attempted to sell to Martin and his friends while they were snowed in and starving. In another episode he served as Martin's cut-rate "wedding planner," armed with a shopping cart brimming with chitlin loaf, plastic flowers and a 40 of malt liquor, in retaliation for Gina's choice of a more elegant and greatly overpriced wedding planner.

Tracy Jordan's movies have run the gamut from Martin to Eddie to Cuba Gooding so at this point I think it's fair to say he's just a composite or imaginary contemporary

"Let's talk about Fat Bitch 2..."

i know, cutty -- but wait, did they trade out "Brother Man" for "Hustle Man" at some point? cause Tracy wasn't the dude from upstairs who made the bootleg "WHITTY HUTTON" t-shirts, right?

(The main conclusion I'm coming to here is that we totally need Arsenio to do a 30 Rock guest spot, possibly as the amorous club girl from Coming to America)

(some dude, I'm thinking of the jokes around running through traffic in his underwear / sleeping on someone's roof, etc. -- the "straight-up mentally ill" part is pretty Lawrency)