White trick-or-treaters in blackface: C/D?

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I wasn't being "funny" about it, Ethan. The sexist implications of male transvestitism is exactly why I brought it up.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR WHITE PEOPLE TO BLACK UP, EVER?
Such a stupid blanket statement.

-- jdubz (dr_...), November 1st, 2005.

yes, we know stelfox can do much better

― ILX, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my coworkers was telling me yesterday how while at school in New York, one of his friends decided to go as a "reverse mime" for Halloween, wearing a white suit and black face paint, and subsequently went to Harlem in this costume unaware that it was actually blackface. Oops.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

theres a lot of nasty sexism behind the creation and consumption of male transvestitism

plz note also said creation and consumption occurs against a backdrop of of nasty homophobia as well

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

ben wallace is no ordinary man! he's santa claus!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

ken im broker than a motherfucker thats a large part of why i was gonna be buying them!! also miccio i know, i meant ile's hilarious img src posse with googled jpgs of trannys

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

BAD. SANTA.

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

What about the black kids in white face??

http://www.screenselect.co.uk/images/products/7/1327-large.jpg

I'll get my coat.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

when I was 12 or so, I dressed as Arthur Dent for halloween. senior year, one of the black kids in my class was Angela Davis. Another was Ray Charles, and three tres popular (white) girls he hung out with were dressed like those in the Pepsi commercial.

you can kinda see how some fucked up kid might draw the conclusion that hitler would make a good costume

better ban GTA while you're at it

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

jdubz, whoever the fuck you are, re my statement being stupid because it's blanket: sometimes things are right or wrong, plain and simple. and it wasn't like i didn't explain my position pretty clearly. please explain when you think it's good for white people to paint themselves black for a laugh...
Remy, i really don't agree with you, sorry.

1) algierz baller caricature stuff

i got given a heap of this stuff and i do admit, i only ever bust it out when the rest of my clothes smell, because i feel a complete twat in it!

― sfxxx, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

that was my favorite movie when i was 14!! the soundtrack got me into curtis mayfield!!!

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ahahaha dave mail me some algierz plz

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

This is the most idiotic thread I've ever read.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

here's a photo of me as requested
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/kenjuggle3/2.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

krowr, ken.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

er...

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

This is the most idiotic thread I've ever read.
-- Alfred Soto (sotoal...), November 1st, 2005.

u musn't have been here long

― comment, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Alfred, search for some of the old "shout for the moderator" threads if you think this is bad!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the attitude that leads to avoiding actually vocalizing offensive words (vs. just indicating them with stuff like 'N*****' or 'f4g') is part and parcel with the attitude that has people convinced that God prefers being written as G-D.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

yes and another reason for that attitude is part and parcel with holding a civilized discussion throughout a wide group of people who may not agree with you on the white heterosexual right to say those words

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

This is precisely what I mean: bad analogies.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean i used to make fun of sterl for writing "n-a" when quoting rap lyrics but i was a teenager w/ teenage friends, since growing up and talking to older people who actually fought in civil rights battles instead of mostly reaping the rewards of it i can understand the power those words still hold no matter what the context

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah go choke on cock "alfred soto" you came in the thread after 300 new answers to post rocky horror jpgs and whine about it

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually don't think I even understand that analogy.

xpost I do understand what "choke on cock" means though.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

that attack doesn't seem helpful.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks jaymc

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

it seems like every insult either suggests that sex (usually gay sex) is unpleasant or insults the person's mother. that's why I settle for "eat shit." scatmunchers can deal with the aspersion. I should probably be embarassed that I've thought about this.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity (and not to pull some "aha! hypocrite!" bullshit), does cross-dressing deserve a similarly hardline inexcusability? or is sexual identity different enough from racial identity (with transgenderism and all) to make it permissable? there's definitely an offensive theatrical history in regards to women.
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), November 1st, 2005.

It depends how you're defining "cross-dressing". This is a HUGE subject, and needs its own thread, if it doesn't already have one.

I know I'm probably stating the obvious, but dressing in women's clothing because it fulfills some inner need or because it feels right are very different than dressing up in women's clothes to set out to mock women. For the most part, I'd say that people of either sex dressing in a manner that subverts traditional gender-roles serves to challenge patriachy, rather than to reaffirm it.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, white heterosexuals, like black homosexuals, have the constitutional right, barring some limited circumstances, to say any word they please.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

As for "go choke on cock" - you say that like its a bad thing...

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

err..x-post

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

and ken...you look HOT in a shower curtain.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote a whole paper on this once -- I think drag is fairly problematic, esp. drag of the Dame Edna/Mrs. Doubtfire/Aunt Blabby/Sheneneh/Geraldine variety.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you get an A?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Transvestism, while it does destabilize the assumption that gender is based on biological sex, does actually promote and reaffirm some rather oppressive stereotypes of "feminine" behavior and appearance, especially when the physical body becomes plastic through surgical procedure. (q.v. Amanda Lepore)

That said, I think you might have trouble proving that transgendered individuals actually feel oppressed by gender signifiers they have chosen.

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you get an A?

It was in the UK -- I don't remember how their crazy grading system worked.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"I wrote a whole paper on this once" = I have lots of thoughts on this, but I'm too tired to actually go into it now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Most straight guys who wear women's clothing as a joke (Rocky Horror nights, Halloween) are doing it cuz it's fun; it's got fuck-all to do with misogyny or a latent hatred of women. Hobart paving OTM upthread.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry if this sounds like I'm point out the obvious, but..

transverstism!=drag

And transgender issues are another thing altogether, and don't really belong in the same conversation.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

And telling someone to "suck cock" shows more unconscious fear/hatred of homosex than most straight men who wear fishnet and heels on Halloween.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I know, Hobart; the men I'm referring to are neither transexuals nor transvestites; they just like dressing like chicks on Halloween.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, that was an x-post. A few of the posts above seem to conflate drag and transvestisism (or whatever the noun is). Not the same thing at all..

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

he said 'choke on', not suck on. i would've thought anyone would not want to choke, regardless of what it is they're choking on and the whys.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess then you could substitute cock for....beernuts?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I was being a little bit flip, steve... wrong thread for it, maybe.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I understand the terms "drag" and "transvestism" are not synonymous, but what is the distinction? If a man lives "as a man" and dresses up on weekends to perform at a drag show, is practicing drag or transvestism? As distinct from men who dress up as chick for laffs, as well as distinct from men living "as women."

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i would've thought anyone would not want to choke, regardless of what it is they're choking on and the whys

your assumption would be wrong, for i know several people who quite enjoy choking on cock

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess then you could substitute cock for....beernuts?
-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...), November 1st, 2005.

...and I'll reflect on this the next time I suck on a beernut.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The situation you give is "drag", if I'm understanding your question correctly. The distinction is that the one is for "show" and the other is for more personal need.

I still don't really see that there's anything intrinsically offensive in a man wearing a dress. If it IS used to mock, that's another scenario entirely.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO ACTUALLY CHOKE ON COCK ARE SICKO FREAKS AND MUST BE STOPPED.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

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