awww Bronson is cute and alive, far from perfect but
why the disdain?
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
tryin to think of things that are not to love about 'heat'
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
it crams 20 minutes of banal story into 3 hours, it centres around a confrontation that doesn't really happen between 2 actors 10 years past their best, it hates women, it has that fucking hilarious line about closure
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
Felt like a well-made student film. All those Kubrick nods. Like it was trying just REALLY hard to be this cool, arty violent cult film. Just found it obnoxious.
― circa1916, Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
xp
i watched it in the cinema with friends and didn't have the heart to walk out halfway thru
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
Xpost about about Bronson.
― circa1916, Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i guessed :)
dunno if i cd argue with most of those criticisms but as i say i thought its chutzpah and Tom Hardy carried it well past its deficiencies, plus a lot of its world felt real to me, i was sympathetic
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
'nother discussion about whether a movie can 'hate' anything tbh, cf wilde on a book being either well written or badly written, nothing more
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
the women thing was a snide minor niggle about Mann aside tbh, most of my objections are purely writerly
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
i enjoy stuff that isn't "about" anything, i enjoy epic mode, i like shiny bright cinematography, i just think Mann takes the deadest bits of all these things and then deadens them some more.
he's not as bad as Christopher Nolan tbf
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah nolan should make christmas tree baubles tbh
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
this was p boring eh.
someone's already made the point somewhere in this thread but it really should've been kill rather than drive. i liked the killings though, so there's that.
ryan gosling is never actually going to act again is he? just going to be dreamy in stuff.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
nv on the mark ^ i haven't seen this b/c i hate movies that don't talk
― turkey in the straw (x2) (remy bean), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
xxp
Nolan and Mann cd maybe be cool directors of other people's scripts, Refn's might be trying to do studied cool but ends up feeling more irreverent, sillier and funner imo
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
refn doesn't hold 20 mins of bad plot together as well as mann, tbh
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
well i "need" to see Drive i guess. somebody in the pub last night told me that somebody's trying to bring a hilarious law suit against the studio for failing to meet the trade description or something, is that right?
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
oh i've just found the link upthread
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
always thought Escape to Victory was most open to being sued on the misleading titles front
Ryan Gosling >>> Mickey Rourke
and not because Gosling is "cute."
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
rourke was cuter, back in the day
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
i have never and will never forgive Mann for Heat
haha, you can't forgive him for maybe his best film
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
btw the Steve McQueenish quote was from Armond, I figured most of you wd know
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
morbs: whiter than white
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
Heat might be his best film but I don't think that says a lot about his work, also wd rather watch 5 minutes of Brian Cox than 3 hours of 90s de Niro
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
Prefer The Insider.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i quite enjoyed that one
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
3 hrs of nothing tbh
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
many xposts to Morbs:
Much better.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 22 October 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Saw Drive, loved it. Then watched Bronson, hated it beyond measure
― Number None, Saturday, 22 October 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
grease me up
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 October 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
Have I seen Ron Perlman in anything else? The head on that guy. Great work.
Refn definitely might have bought the extra second-unit helicopter footage from Collateral for this.
― waylon flowers and muammar gaddafi (Eazy), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Perlman has been in a lot of stuff so I would say it is likely.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
hellboy for a start. subtler performance, slightly less grotesque characterisation.
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
michael mann is definitely one of the sources of this film's style. "thief" is a pretty blatant intertext, between the faux-tangerine dream soundtrack, the font used for the film's title, etc. but i think there are lots of other sources, mostly dating to the mid 1980s. so i don't think it's fair to say that the whole style derives from michael mann.
i wonder if i'd like this movie a 2nd time around.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 22 October 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
"thief is a pretty hit and miss film, isn't it? the dialogue w/ tuesday weld in the freeway-overpass diner sticks out as being particularly poorly written, much like the "sift through the detritus" dialogue between diane venora (sp?) and pacino in "heat." "heat" is a pretty great film though. i'll suspend judgment on "thief" since i haven't seen it in a long time.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 22 October 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
"heat" is one of those films that for whatever reason i'd be happy to hate, and the film even gives me reasons to hate it, but i just can't. it's beautifully paced, it really breathes. it's a good 'un.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 22 October 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
Those rather explicit Thief aspects aside, I'm not sure this is all that Michael Mann-ish, at least in regards to how it treats its character. Mann seems to favour exploring masculinity and codes of honour, etc..., Drive is a lot more about Travis Bickle-like delusions of grandeur, self-mythology, and psychosis.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 22 October 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
and that's just from refn
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
michael mann would never have made a movie about a guy wearing a satin scorpion jacket
thief's not GREAT but it's pretty good, nicely shot (love the location shooting), big safecracking setpiece is great
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 22 October 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
This song kindof ruled during the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY
― yuoowemeone, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 08:45 (twelve years ago) link
This song ruled more during the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg0jOpr1Uhk
― yuoowemeone, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 08:49 (twelve years ago) link
this was on a single screen here for one, maybe two weeks. the one night i actually made time to go see it with a friend, we got to the box office and were informed the showing we had planned to see was cancelled because "the key broke... and there's no spare key, sorry" i assume the key to the projector room for that theater?? anyway we went and played arcade games for the rest of the nite.
but it was total bummer since i was amped to see it, and after that weekend it hasnt been showing anywhere on this island.
so today i downloaded the screener that's on thepiratebay and watched it. which is kind of funny because (going on comments posted by people who watched the torrent & saw it in the theater) that version has some of the music that was used in the theatrical version, but also a lot of temporary music-- no joke the sparse piano theme from The Social Network was playing during one of the scenes w/ gosling & mulligan eating dinner with the kid!!
there were other times when the music seemed odd & out of place too: like when gosling sees mulligan having car probs in the supermarket parking lot it was this ridiculous, almost melodramatic synth swell that reminded me of the odd music cues in Contempt-- was this in the theatrical version??
i listened to the whole soundtrack album afterwards though and recognized a lot of it, so hard to say what was temp and what stayed in. i also noticed references in this thread to lines that weren't in the version i watched.
anyways, loved what i saw. the opening scene was so fucking good, the way the Chromatics song was used along with the Clippers radio broadcast and the police scanner chatter to totally build and release tension and move the story without any on-screen dialogue. i agree w/ mandee & ade that a 90 minute film like that would have been awesome to watch but i love movies like The American and Le Samourai too and am a total sucker for post-Mann visuals and italo-revival shit too, so I fucking loved this.
another movie i'm surprised hasn't been mentioned along with those two and Taxi Driver, The Driver, and Thief is Point Blank-- one of my favorite movies ever.
this will def turn in to a dorm-room dvd classic in the next decade.
PS- how did gosling's denim jacket fit him THAT good????
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 20 November 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
for gr80 http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2011-09/15/gq-film-drive-ryan-gosling-style-fashion-costume-design/denim-jacket
― caek, Monday, 2 January 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
the Gosling-Brooks denouement was particularly badly edited/ridiculous. yes, you are going to turn yr back on a gangster w/ a big knife collection.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2012 07:35 (twelve years ago) link
I finally watched this today on a flight while I was in a weird dreamy cold medicine and travelling induced haze and I really freaking loved it. Thought that Mulligan/her character were the weakest part - there was just nothing there. I loved the feel of the whole thing though it sort of peaked in the very beginning with the great opening scene. I LOVED the music even though it seemed weird and misplaced at times. Going to go look up soundtrack info now because I've had one song stuck in my head all day. I also really liked the end scene after he fought with Brooks and rewound that part about three times. Anyway I thought it was great and now I maybe even like Gosling a lot? He was pretty good in this at least.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
I finally watched this today on a flight while I was in a weird dreamy cold medicine and travelling induced haze and I really freaking loved it.
This really would be the perfect movie for a weird dreamy cold medicine and traveling induced haze.
― Nicole, Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I think it was a good choice.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
I liked the film but I recoil now from its unnecessary grisliness. It was so good at suggesting a mood that the violence was redundant.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
sure wish i'd had some sort of chemical enhancement while i had to sit through this tbh
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah i think that's right.
i look back on this more fondly than i felt while i was actually watching it.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link