it's just the other side of the "I belatedly realized you're good so I'm overrating your new movie" deal
― da croupier, Sunday, 30 October 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
I know my friendship with Tim Powis has caused me to hold the Surfin' Tapeworms from Venus' surf version of the Chariots of Fire theme in too high esteem.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 October 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
haha -- this is actually Christgau's trick.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
her pan of The Shining is OTM ("the first pompous haunted-house movie")
as is the rave for Temple of Doom.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 October 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
― clemenza, Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:29 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
lol
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
I liked the Ween redo.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
scott seward, da croupier fully otm in this thread
also agree with tipsy that her taste was interesting. if o'hehir never understood what she was talking about maybe he's just not a very good reader.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'm offended I'm not otm :(
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
haha you were also otm, scott + da croupier were just pushing my favorite "jealous dudes" angle. it's true!
― horseshoe, Monday, 31 October 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
You tried too hard for a nuanced approach(xp)
― Mayne of Fules (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
haha it's true
― horseshoe, Monday, 31 October 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
nuance?! Kael's critics deserve beheading.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
alfred completely otm
― horseshoe, Monday, 31 October 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
Now you're doing a John Candy as Orson Welles ham on rye performance (xp)
― Mayne of Fules (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
and Jessica Lange will play Madame Defarge.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
does this bio have a comprehensive list of kael's reviews? i always had the impression there was a lot of stuff from the early pre-new yorker days that never made it into her books.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
I have a yellowed paperback copy of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang I found on the street, and that's all pre-New Yorker! (Atlantic, McCalls, etc. And isn't that the second book?)
Has donna rouge mentioned if the Pacifica archives have her radio reviews?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
Now you're doing a John Candy as Orson Welles
wait did this actually happen? was it some sctv thing?
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
if o'hehir never understood what she was talking about maybe he's just not a very good reader.
Not always so; her main objection to Goodfellas seemed to be that there's no 'hero' a la Cagney (or even Harvey Keitel, I guess). That makes no sense to me.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
but it seems like o'hehir was saying she had no big insights beyond her surprising taste, which is just crazy talk to me.
― horseshoe, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
she also hated gays.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
Except those she let impregnate her.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
unpublished photo of the kael household circa 1958
http://www.maniacworld.com/mommie-dearest-with-extra-slapping.jpg
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
My household on Fri night tbh.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
morbs looks very pretty there
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
I do love the image of her changing the marquee at a rep house w/ Wild Turkey on her hip.
4-part interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtGCjGgecOs&feature=related
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ saw it last week. I love her comments on Paul Newman.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
The famous first meeting between Kael and Sarris over a drink:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wu6Z_RmeXD4/SyvfEcQmPmI/AAAAAAAAAeE/Jbet5NAS3xk/s320/robinson.jpg
"The far side of what? Oh, please."
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
It's been said before here -- Sarris took their "feud" way too fuckin seriously.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of auteurs (this is for strongo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ehxdlAlHQ
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
I may have posted this another thread, I'm not sure. But if you skip ahead to the last minute, this brings Kael and SCTV together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdfD8nHbok
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
itt renata adler outed as a jealous dude
― buzza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
That Linehan guy who interviews Kael was parodied by Martin Short on SCTV, too.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
boy he loves his consonants and sybillants doesn't he
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
Linehan is beyond legendary here. Short nailed him, especially the five-minute preface to every question.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
anyway i finished james wolcott's memoir today. still digesting but there's a lot about pauline kael, sounds like wolcott was her screening sidekick for a good chunk of the 70s. i don't know, wolcott has some perspective on kael but the fairy dust still clouds his vision. for all his un-sentimentality about the 70s clearly wolcott never took the message of "kill yr idols" to heart
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
he's never been a Sonic Youth fan.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
he name-checked lydia lunch and said he liked new wave, though
wolcott's portrait of pauline whet my appetite for the bio; guess i was surprised by how enamored - verging on gushy - he was. but hey, if martin amis took me under his wing when I was 23...
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
per the Frank Rich review, Kael making loud wisecracks and snorts during screenings should've elicited a "Cool it, auntie" imho.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
don't most of us do that though???
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha - she does that multiple times in wolcott's book, including at a 42nd street porno
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
"we" don't do that
― buzza, Monday, 31 October 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
"we" just watch The Dark Nought without a thought.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
not unless we want a clout on the head from me, no.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
we'd be like the sinners trapped in ice chewing each other's heads, right
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah that would be maddening if it was happening in a movie you were enjoying
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 October 2011 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
Morbs: they do! She broke the news of her quitting there on the air without apparently warning anyone in advance (following her Lawrence of Arabia review). She had some pretty choice words for the 'liberals' there.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Monday, 31 October 2011 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
well, that's a trove that needs to be made available.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
also, what megalomaniacal film kingpin named a villain in one of his late '80s productions after her?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
lucas! in Willow iirc
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link