does this bio have a comprehensive list of kael's reviews? i always had the impression there was a lot of stuff from the early pre-new yorker days that never made it into her books.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
I have a yellowed paperback copy of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang I found on the street, and that's all pre-New Yorker! (Atlantic, McCalls, etc. And isn't that the second book?)
Has donna rouge mentioned if the Pacifica archives have her radio reviews?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
Now you're doing a John Candy as Orson Welles
wait did this actually happen? was it some sctv thing?
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
if o'hehir never understood what she was talking about maybe he's just not a very good reader.
Not always so; her main objection to Goodfellas seemed to be that there's no 'hero' a la Cagney (or even Harvey Keitel, I guess). That makes no sense to me.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
but it seems like o'hehir was saying she had no big insights beyond her surprising taste, which is just crazy talk to me.
― horseshoe, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
she also hated gays.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
Except those she let impregnate her.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
unpublished photo of the kael household circa 1958
http://www.maniacworld.com/mommie-dearest-with-extra-slapping.jpg
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
My household on Fri night tbh.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
morbs looks very pretty there
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
I do love the image of her changing the marquee at a rep house w/ Wild Turkey on her hip.
4-part interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtGCjGgecOs&feature=related
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ saw it last week. I love her comments on Paul Newman.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
The famous first meeting between Kael and Sarris over a drink:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wu6Z_RmeXD4/SyvfEcQmPmI/AAAAAAAAAeE/Jbet5NAS3xk/s320/robinson.jpg
"The far side of what? Oh, please."
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
It's been said before here -- Sarris took their "feud" way too fuckin seriously.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of auteurs (this is for strongo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ehxdlAlHQ
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
I may have posted this another thread, I'm not sure. But if you skip ahead to the last minute, this brings Kael and SCTV together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdfD8nHbok
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
itt renata adler outed as a jealous dude
― buzza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
That Linehan guy who interviews Kael was parodied by Martin Short on SCTV, too.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
boy he loves his consonants and sybillants doesn't he
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
Linehan is beyond legendary here. Short nailed him, especially the five-minute preface to every question.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
anyway i finished james wolcott's memoir today. still digesting but there's a lot about pauline kael, sounds like wolcott was her screening sidekick for a good chunk of the 70s. i don't know, wolcott has some perspective on kael but the fairy dust still clouds his vision. for all his un-sentimentality about the 70s clearly wolcott never took the message of "kill yr idols" to heart
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
he's never been a Sonic Youth fan.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
he name-checked lydia lunch and said he liked new wave, though
wolcott's portrait of pauline whet my appetite for the bio; guess i was surprised by how enamored - verging on gushy - he was. but hey, if martin amis took me under his wing when I was 23...
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
per the Frank Rich review, Kael making loud wisecracks and snorts during screenings should've elicited a "Cool it, auntie" imho.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
don't most of us do that though???
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha - she does that multiple times in wolcott's book, including at a 42nd street porno
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
"we" don't do that
― buzza, Monday, 31 October 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
"we" just watch The Dark Nought without a thought.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
not unless we want a clout on the head from me, no.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
we'd be like the sinners trapped in ice chewing each other's heads, right
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah that would be maddening if it was happening in a movie you were enjoying
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 October 2011 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
Morbs: they do! She broke the news of her quitting there on the air without apparently warning anyone in advance (following her Lawrence of Arabia review). She had some pretty choice words for the 'liberals' there.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Monday, 31 October 2011 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
well, that's a trove that needs to be made available.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
also, what megalomaniacal film kingpin named a villain in one of his late '80s productions after her?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
lucas! in Willow iirc
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
in the digital remaster he's changed it to armond white
― mark s, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Armond actually said a few nice things about the Star Wars prequels tho.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
haha, naturally!
― mark s, Monday, 31 October 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
of course PK's swooning over Newman and Olivier fits neatly with her Kinsey-scale track record...
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
well, who wouldn't swoon?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
her finding Absence of Malice > The Verdict is bothersome.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
Not really. He's much sexier playing a stock character in the former.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
and she's right about that late seventies/early eighties streak of Newman's >>> the fifties and sixties
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Older actors are generally better. Olivier didn't become a really good film actor til he was almost 50.
Too bad she retired before PN's crowning achievement, Nobody's Fool.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
God, I just saw Rebecca again two weeks ago and was surprised anew by the absence of a character. He's jumpy, erratic, and irritable, like a man without a script, which makes sense -- Maxim isn't the killer that he is in the novel.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
Older actors are generally better
Not hotter, tho, which is what I thought Alfred was referring to.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
1998 interview in Modern Maturity:
Jim Carrey has practically kept movies alive the past few years. But most comedians lose it after a while. They go on trying to be funny and it becomes ghastly. If Carrey can sustain it, it would be amazing.
http://www.paulrossen.com/paulinekael/modernmaturity.html
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 04:20 (twelve years ago) link
posted this re: wolcott's book in the didion thread and no one seemed to care
http://www.theawl.com/2011/10/the-cordial-enmity-of-joan-didion-and-pauline-kael
― max, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
kael seems like she'd be more fun to watch a movie with than didion.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 06:58 (twelve years ago) link
The "suffering little girl-woman" as Evan Hughes calls it in max's link is a type that Kael attacked relentlessly over and over again. See her review of The Piano. Kael probably thought Didion was one herself.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link