that laughing at Colbert and Stewart helps *some* people to avoid thinking about contributing to OR EVEN HOPING FOR political change seems really obvious to me.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link
most countries probably have this kind of show, the weird thing is the UK is able to see them now -- a pretty recent development.
they are far, far stronger than our nearest equivalents. i can see that they are cynical, but for cynicism they have nothing on the nearest UK equivalents, one of which is an impressionist show with rory bremner, the other a fake panel game, 'have i got news for you'.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost: i dunno morbs. that doesn't track. how do you even get jokes about, like, alberto gonzales' congressional testimony if you don't know about alberto gonzales' congressional testimony to start with? i mean, maybe these people exist, but postulating their existence as "obvious," i don't get. there's 175 cable channels of shit you can watch if you want to avoid thinking about contributing to even hoping for political change, and you're telling me the people who tune into the one cable channel where you can get jokes about alberto gonzales and warrantless wiretapping are the ones looking for escapism? the daily show/colbert fans i know are the same ones who read the papers and read talkingpointsmemo and organize petitions to recall local corrupt politicians and run for school board and work the polls on election day and all that goody-two-shoes small-d democratic activism stuff -- and they like daily show/colbert because at least those shows sometimes acknowledge the importance -- or hell just the existence -- of that entire realm of politics and civic engagement that is elsewhere reduced to msnbc commentators sneering about hillary clinton's cleavage (when it's represented at all).
i can understand not thinking stewart or colbert are funny (because "funny" is a matter of taste), or thinking they've gotten stale or repetitive (because that's what happens to performers and shticks), or preferring to read theodor adorno at bedtime, or whatever. but i think the idea that they're somehow undermining the agenda they more or less stand for is just silly. i mean, that peter cook line... ok, brecht didn't stop hitler from coming to power -- but isn't that asking an awful lot of brecht? i mean, omg, two comedians on a comedy cable channel haven't brought the downfall of corporate neo-conservatism. clearly they're part of the problem!
― tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
sometimes i feel the same way tombot does except that i don't even live there. when the punchline has something to do with guantamino and Stewart is essentially sitting there going "lololol, we torture people", I find it impossible to laugh. The DS is way more guilty of this than the CR.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link
oh plz, do not want equivocation for breakfast.
hey, have you seen the new TMZ tv show? Riveting.
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
also, xpost with tipsy, who said the same thing, i think
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
really, the whole frickin' game is rigged to get people to avoid thinking about contributing to OR EVEN HOPING FOR political change, top to bottom
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyone who thinks that these shows are blasé about torture or shitty government dealings is either not really watching or has already made up his/her mind to shit all over them and is just coming here to register that shit. And Kenan if you really believe your last statement then...well, God love ya, Kenan.
― Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
capn save-a-colb
― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
tipsy, those activist types you know may watch Stewart and Colbert, but they're maybe 1% of their audience. I think most of the audience knows about Alberto Gonzales' congressional testimony, and thinks "What can I do? NOTHING."
I'd never say Stewart 'liking' John McCain and softball-interviewing him repeatedly is any sort of factor in the grand scheme of things, but it defangs the claims of his satire.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
if you really believe your last statement then
I do. I also don't believe in god's love. I'm not saying it's hopeless, just rigged.
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
tipsy, those activist types you know may watch Stewart and Colbert, but they're maybe 1% of their audience.
^^^ tru
― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I hear that 923% of northern Africa prefers salted butter.
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I heard that 74% of people make up statistics to support their arguments.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Dan what's the margin for error on that one
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
don't confuse correlation w/ causation
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I think most of the audience knows about Alberto Gonzales' congressional testimony, and thinks "What can I do? NOTHING."
but what are you basing this on??? this is like some ilm threads where people are like "all those other people besides me who say they like hip-hop/m.i.a./radiohead like them for the wrong reasons!" i'll grant you that the only colbert/stewart fans i know are the only colbert/stewart fans i know, and maybe they're somehow an unrepresentative sample. but i don't have any reason to think that, and i'm not going to go speculating about some strawman audience of slackjawed dolts who somehow tune into political satire in lieu of political engagement. wtf else are politically engaged people supposed to be doing at 11 p.m.? holding candlelight vigils outside samuel alito's house?
― tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Morbs did you see the last McCain interview? They might be friends but it wasn't exactly softball as I recall.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know if I saw the last one, but I think the only defensible interview he could do with McCain is one where JMcC is so angry he never returns. "Hey, nice move giving legitimacy to Bush's fake-antitorture bill through! Did the VietCong remove your spine?"
xp
tips, I'm basing it (partly) upon what Generation iPod is like. It's not a strawman; Comedy Central has a large audience, hence there are a lot of slackjawed dolts watching.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
now you're just doing your grumpy old man thing.
― tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
If the audience for "The Daily Show" is the same as the audience for "Mind of Mencia" I'm gonna cry.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm basing it (partly) upon what Generation iPod is like. It's not a strawman
you're forgetting one thing: THE JUDD APATOW FACTOR
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
YOU, have a superbad birthday.
it's not a thing, it's me!
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
this is what the kids today all look like to morbs:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/thefed/v2/archives/19/19.3/images/hipster.jpg
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
tipsy, those activist types you know may watch CNN, but they're maybe 1% of their audience. I think most of the audience knows about Alberto Gonzales' congressional testimony, and thinks "What can I do? NOTHING."
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
morbs you were funnier the first season. you need a wisecracking sidekick to liven things up. or maybe an adopted war orphan!
― tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
remember friendster? Oh man, those were the good ol days. Life was so simple then.
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
put a Yankee cap on that illus and you have max.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Wait, I assumed Generation iPod was a concrete group or site or something. lololololol
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
those activist types you know may watch Stewart and Colbert, but they're maybe 1% of their audience. I think most of the audience knows about Alberto Gonzales' congressional testimony, and thinks "What can I do? NOTHING."
I don't think anyone's trying to argue that watching the Daily Show instantly confers upon the viewer automatic Uber Activist status. I think it's more like: okay, watching the Daily Show doesn't necessarily, automatically mean you're politically engaged. But it doesn't automatically mean you're not, either. If I could draw a Venn diagram, I would.
― franny glass, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.someecards.com/filestorage/spo_17.jpg
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link
put a Mets cap on that illus and you have Morbs
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
that guy up there with the duct tape wallet seems pretty cool. wearing the iPod with no headphones and the broken watch is an effective statement. the camera should also have no battery, and he should also carry a prepaid cellphone that has no minutes on it.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I should start secretly working out myself
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link
when is the ideal time for secret workouts
I wouldn't know. I prefer loud, flamboyant workouts. Out and proud, baby.
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Friday late-night workouts, everybody's doin' it
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
calisthenics after happy hour is a threat to ligaments everywhere
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i would imagine 3 am is the most secretive hour to have secret workouts.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, but then you just feel dirty and ashamed
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
kenan you always feel like that
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link
no, but i really ought to
― kenan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
wait... is "secret workout" a metaphor for something here?
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link
why are we debating with morbius about political efficacy and civic engagement?
― gff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link
because it is the month of halloween, and we need to get back in shape
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
funny we haven't mentioned colbert's apparently real actual PRESIDENTIAL RUN. i give it a big thumbs down, seems really really lame and pointless to me. those movies where a regular dude/comedian runs for president are always bad, for a reason
― gff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Satire is always as sterile as it is shameful and is impotent as it is insolent. - Wilde
― gff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Satire is always virtue's friend. - Charles Churchill (neva hoid of him)
i'm wearing cords.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link