Why Do (some) Men Hate Women?

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wtf, why should it be a risk? You are in a public place fine, but if you make me feel uncomfortable by continually staring at my breasts, why is that acceptable? Maybe you should have more respect with your eyes.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 6 October 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

but but but I respect my eyes! I stopped putting salt in them just last week!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 6 October 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

I'm kind of ambivalent on this issue, and I think that it's often disingenuous to insist that low cut tops aren't at some level an invitation for people to be sexually excited (even if it's an unconscious thing). Obviously I wouldn't want to make someone uncomfortable by staring so I try to be discreet about it.

PP - what if one were to turn around and say 'Well - the way you're dressing makes me feel uncomfortable'? Is there such a huge moral or logical distinction between the way one dresses and the way one directs one's eyes?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

depends where/what they are turning around from.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

Here is a scenerio most of you have probably seen at some point. A woman wearing a tiny skirt with a thong, or no panties at all, goes up stairs, or an esculator, and her entire rear end is exposed. Now most men would take a good look at the view!But what would happen if she caught you looking? Chances are you would get a dirty look, be called a pervert, and in extreme cases she may even try to have you arrested. In reality she is the one who should be arrested for indecent exposure! How can you possibly dress like that and not realize your ass will show when you climb stairs??

― Trent, Monday, 6 October 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Trent - your real name isn't Arnold Schwarzeneggar is it?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

look all you want, just don't verbally/physically harrass me. I'd be pretty happy with that expectation.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

Trent that is quite possibly the most loaded example I have ever seen anyone use to try and make a point. I cannot imagine anyone being arrested in that scenario. Yes, people (men and women) would look, and probably feel embarassed for her. How, by the way, does her 'entire rear end' get exposed. Are we talking gusts of wind or do you have very steep escalators where you come from? Or were you crouching?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

teeny OTM

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

Even with looking, there are ways. I spend a lot of time in public places looking at sexy people, mostly women, and I can't remember ever getting a reaction that suggested offence. I've seen other people do cartoony bug-eye expressions and do that upthrusting thing with the fist - there is a pretty big difference between the two.

As for the ludicrous Trent example, you're going to have to provide at least one example of a woman showing her arse and someone being arrested for looking at it if you want us to take your rantings remotely seriously.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 6 October 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link

If I wear a low cut top, because I think it looks nice on me, why should I have to put up with men looking down my top?

― , Monday, 6 October 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

hmm. so, is it impolite when my eyes shoot out of my head and my jaw drops to the floor, Tex Avery style, or would some people consider it a compliment?

http://www.rockabillyhall.com/rr1199wolf.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 6 October 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

Looking is fine, tis when you go beyond that (without permission), you get into trouble.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 6 October 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Bah, what are women there for but to be looked at? It's not like they offer anything positive to society. And if they don't want to be oggled they should stop getting their titties out for mags and films and wearing low cut dresses. How dumb are chicks?

― Crossed, Monday, 6 October 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, the above was directed at some of the more, ahem, sexist comments on this thread.

― Crossed, Monday, 6 October 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

(dry tone) Glad to hear your ignorance wasn't meant for all of us.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 6 October 2003 19:23 (twenty years ago) link

Cinni, no I am not Arnold, nor am I Bill Clinton, or a Kennedy boy either! N, a tight fitting skirt (such as dungaree) may not show anything, But a loose fitting skirt (such as a tennis skirt, or summer dress) can give people below quite a view. Martin Skidrow, I cleary stated getting arrested was an extreme example.

― Trent, Monday, 6 October 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

But how often does this happen? It's a ridiculous hypothetical.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

Trent, stick around and you'll discover that Cinni likes this technique of 'guilt by association'. Sure, Democrats have grabbed their interns' parts too, but Cinni wants at all costs to push you into a corner with Republicans or (better) fascists, in order to isolate and shame you. He has tried to push me into a corner with the KKK on many occasions, but I escaped by pointing out that nurses wear white uniforms too, and that dunces wear a pointy hat.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

What do you mean with "looks nice on you"?
If nobody is looking at you then what is the purpose of it looking nice. Comfortable I understand but "nice looking" suggests someone eh looks at it you know?
Oh sorry, I forgot, I am not allowed to look nice coe I want to, I have to be doing it for someone else huh? What an idiot you are!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

theres some total bullshit on this thread, and it ain't coming from pink panther.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

Oh sorry, I forgot, I am not allowed to look nice coe I want to, I have to be doing it for someone else huh? What an idiot you are!

You are not very bright are you?
What is the purpose of looking nice if nobody sees you?
So you can look at yourself in the mirror all day?

― , Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

No I think it is you who arent very bright, as you cannot imagine anyone else doing something for themselves. Maybe you constantly rely on others to make you feel better about yourself, how sad does that make you. I like to look nice for me, not anybody else!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, you are in love with your self. That's great.

― , Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:34 (twenty years ago) link

haha, you think? How little you know.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

There's an interesting question behind this current spat:

Where is the dividing line that seperates enjoying the way you look and "flaunting" it (IOW inviting attention from others) from enjoying the way you look but not meaning it as an open invitation to ogle? Is it even possible to "flaunt it" with opening yourself up for ogling? (For the purposes of this question, "ogling" is unwanted attention that makes you feel uncomfortable.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Yep! Ogling definitely makes me feel uncomfortable.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

(insert photo of me flashing my tits here)

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

(please)

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

(there is a "with" that is missing an "out" in my previous post)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

(parentheses)

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

I was gonna ask you to post a pic of you giving the bird to that guy!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/images/crappyfountain.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

I broke the button on that coat last night :(

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

Nooooooo!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

I got the postcard btw, it made me laugh!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

Oh good! At least someone appreciates the cats.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

Oh always!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

I choke on my irrational man-hating when I get my period: WHY DOESN"T THIS HAPPEN TO THEM?!?!? NO FAIR NO FAIR NO FAIR I AM WEARING MY SHORTEST LEGAL SKIRT TODAY AND WIGGLING MY ASS WITH EVERY STEP AA HAHAHHAAAHA REVENGE HELP ME I'M BLEEDING TO DEATH YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

About eleven years back a good friend was mentioning her period pains and I stupidly said, "I can imagine how that feels." About half an hour of thorough detail later, I fully understood my folly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

Well, you women may get periods, but at least you can't get pregnant...oh wait...well, at least the average salary for a woman is vastly more than the average salary for a man...oh shit, um...hey, at least you have equal rights with men...uh, nevermind.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

"But Mom, what about those heavy flow days?"

― TMI Girl from that commercial (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

I have issues with getting yelled at for saying, "I can imagine how that feels." I mean, I can imagine how it feels. I have no way of knowing if I'm right, but I can imagine it. I can imagine truckloads of shit. Right now I'm imagining eating a unicorn steak. Mmmmm. Needs more salt, though. And some hot peppers. Unicorn fajitas! Those would rock.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

I think guys should really start a campaign where we talk up what a pain in the ass it is to shave our faces daily. Because, you know, uh, it is. It's tough, dude, and painful, and boy is it ever time-consuming. Yeah.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

Sometimes, when I get razor burn, I just want to blow my head off with a poisonous shotgun.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Wow! I have felt exactly the same way about my uterus!

If I blow your head off, will you shoot me in the gut? Better yet, you blow my head off and I'll shoot you in the gut and then our friends can look at us and FINALLY learn the secret to empathy for the opposite sex! FUCKING BRILLIANT, I SAVE THE WORLD AGAIN!!!

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

(insert picture of me flashing my tits here)

(insert story of how I had my period for four months straight and would gladly shoot anyone in the head with a poisonous shotgun who seriously thought razor burn is worse than that)

(dude also the Brazilian wtf wtf wtf!)

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

Good thing I wasn't being serious...or was I?

No, I wasn't.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

I know. I just wanted to gross you all out with my period horror stories. I have more! One of my friend's had a massive blood vessel in her uterus burst while we were at a club and the floor got covered in blood, it looked like someone got shot! So of course all the guys were like is that normal? And I was like, yeah, totally.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

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