2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

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MJM22
: 01/06/12 11:37

Before watching it, I wanted to believe he said it, or stopped himself halfway through the word. I couldn't wait to hear him saying "black." But I don't hear it. I have to admit, he stumbled. On his way to saying "people's lives" he contracted it to "plai--" with a soft p, backed up and started again. If he had started to say "black" there would have been some kind of "oops" registration on his face, which there is not. Not even a flicker. So, either he's the greatest actor on the planet or he stumbled over "people's lives."

^^^ this is the only halfway plausible "he didn't say black" argument I've seen

has anyone interviewed The Only Black Man in the Room

The dogwshitle tradition, though, dictates that getting ppl off welfare or food stamps or whatever is only brought up in the context of race. It's both a deflection from the Small Govmnt/States' Rights tradition that took over the GOP w/Reagan and a disculpatory sleight of hand to the racists backing the GOP that, 'No, it's the patronizing Democrats who are the real racists, not you.'

Why else would he even have brought it up like that?

At least Newt does this blatantly but then I guess he kind of revels in pissing ppl off sanctimoniously.

what he did is what i've done hundreds of time with peoples' names that i suddenly find myself unsure about.

i'm about to go all "hey, BETTY" and suddenly realize that might not be the name i ought to be using - i get the fear - some little cashew of brain matter seizes up, trying to protect me - and i go "hey, BETthe----*** -- WHAT'S UP" like that is just a normal fucking way to talk or something.

love this photo
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/Z3/newt-gingrich-bill-clinton-0910-lg.jpg

Uh:

Unlike New Hampshire, where Molly Ball showed how hard it can be for a values candidate to make a connection, South Carolina is a land where mixing in some ol’ time religion into your stump speech is very much appreciated in a lot of places. In addition, the state is home to a lot of veterans and active-duty military. Perry is a vet himself, and can speak their language, too.

The combo went down very well for Perry in South Carolina in months past. In August, I spent a couple days following Perry around the state. He was so famous back then a guy literally stopped on his way to pick up his wife who was going into labor to have her talk to Perry on a cell phone.

Meanwhile:

Appearing before a largely youthful crowd in Dublin, NH, Rick Santorum reiterated his staunch opposition to the repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.” When asked by an audience member how he reconciles his small government orthodoxy with anti-gay rights positions, Santorum suggested that the reversal of the policy has opened the door for individuals who will undermine the strength of the United States military:

"I would say that serving in the military is not a right; it's a privilege. Not everyone is selected. People are chosen based on who will make us the best fighting force in the world, and I don't think that includes those who are openly homosexual."

At the end of the day, I don't think it really matters whether Santorum said "black people" or "blah people" or "pligh people" or whatever. We shouldn't have to study one mangled word under a microscope to try to determine if someone is a racist or not. Even if he clearly said "black people", would that be conclusive proof of racism? After all, couldn't he have misspoke? Weirder brain-farts have happened. I think there's got to be better evidence than one Youtube gotcha moment to indicate a politician's attitudes on race (or anything else for that matter).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxgB7pwbO7k&feature=player_embedded

what's he doing with his right hand

killing a baby

If you know what I mean, right?

Yeah, I was gonna say, that Obama/abortion clip, which I hadn't seen before today, seems a bigger deal to me than the whole blah-gate whatever, but Santorum says something reprehensible to me pretty much any time he opens his mouth.

it's reprehensible, but it's not quite racist in the way "black people = WELFARE" is

killing a baby

An alternate world for the Cure suggests itself.

"I can't believe that you, as a [y] person, don't believe [x]" is the simplest example of a bigoted, prejudicial statement; a white casting it at Obama in terms of race is a bald statement that he is not acting like a black person should and is unambiguously racist.

fyi I had the phrase "white person" in my head as I was typing but apparently it didn't make it all the way to my fingers

my horrible, racist fingers ;_;

Rick Santorum is a bumblr white

a white casting it at Obama

But my family all support Obama. Why would we do this?

a white casting it at Obama in terms of race is a bald statement that he is not acting like a black person should and is unambiguously racist

Would it still be a racist statement if it was made by a black person though? I could imagine someone saying, "We as black people should be especially sensitive to human rights issues", and I don't think anyone would consider that racist. So is the offensive part presuming to speak about another group?

I find it somewhat upsetting that you have to ask that question because, as a minority in the US, it is very obvious to me.

You are also likely missing out the US right subtext of describing modern abortion as a tool used by the racist left to control the population of poor urban black people.

it's like what aero pointed out up there, santorum has the problem of deeply believing in all the half-assed justifications the right has come up with for its positions over the years, and then stating them in a way that would make a comment box troll take a second edit.

they've traded around the idea that the anti-abortion fight is just like the civil rights or anti-slavery fight, and that planned parenthood was founded with some queasy racist-eugenicist ideas about poverty that it is still trying to carry out in the present. out of santorum's mouth it comes out HIM BLACK WHY HIM NO CARE OF BLACK FETUS

they've also flipped from nakedly protecting the privileges of whites to arguing sideways that public sector redistribution has made poor people dependent and weak, and again he can barely say anything on this except I BLIEVE IN U WORK HARD LAZY NEGROS

(exactly how these two things are supposed to work in tandem is another thing...)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to argue the point, just trying to clarify things in my own mind. There's so many bizarre elements in that Santorum statement I was just trying to unpack them a bit. I know there's a context in the US by pro-life groups to try to make a racial issue out of abortion, in a way that rightly raises some hackles.

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hahahaha goole is so OTM

no worries dude, obv I am Touchy McToucherson in these conversations at times

No problem, I could have phrased my post a bit better. I second the OTM of Goole's post. When Santorum (and Gingrich and others) say things like that, I wonder who their real audience is. Are they really trying to persuade blacks with those kind of half-baked, condescending platitudes, or are they actually just scoring points with their mostly white, conservative audience by tweaking the rules of liberal media decorum?

theres something so gross about santorum invoking slavery & the history of black america with this kind of authority like he has *any clue*

its like that fucking forbes article "If I Was a Poor Black Kid"

Eh, first time I watched it I even didn't hear it, and I thought it was the wrong clip. Second time, after finding out where it is, I spotted it. I think the first time through I thought he said "making alot of people's lives better".

Not that the dick deserves a defense, but I think I follow his logic. If I was anti-abortion because I believe fetuses are people, and people have rights or civil liberties or whatever, then I would be angry that someone wanted to take away their civil liberties, particularly someone of African descent, who should know a thing or two about having your civil liberties curtailed. Still takes some massive balls and smug boneheadedness to even imply that someone of African descent need be reminded of this.

It's sort of akin to this notion that his freedom of religion is being impinged upon by people thwarting his desire to impose religion-based laws that would limit the rights of others.

what's he doing with his right hand

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killing a baby

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I lol'd so fucking hard at this, thank you both

It's in the Bible:

And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Rick just followin' the Bible here.

santorum is pure evil, but i sort of hope his campaign makes some hay if only to continue the shitshow of the republican party 2012. i doubt even as bad as american is we would elect a borderline insane dork that doesn't even believe in jacking off.

this is some next level shittiness

how does santorum feel about vasectomies/tubal ligations? (srsly)

how do you even get through life saying the shit he says, it is mindblowing

this is just a full on battle to see who can be the most racist now

why the fuck are ron paul people attacking jon huntsman

do they want to steal his .5% support

ron paul people think this is a ploy by the huntsman campaign to siphon votes off of ron paul

you got to give it up to these people, they bring the lols

You people know what is really sad about Jon attacking Ron??? Many Paul supporters including myself really liked Jon and would have voted for him if he became the strongest candidate! Not now, you just alienated a lot of smart motivated people!!!
AliceInWonderlandSyn 2 minutes ago 4

the article makes that clear but just in case people are scanning and not really paying attention:

the video was made by some deranged ron paul supporter, not the actual ron paul campaign

yeah but the actual ron paul campaign was zinging huntsman on twitter iirc

that probably set off one of the crazies

how does santorum feel about vasectomies/tubal ligations? (srsly)

Rick Santorum allies himself with Quiverfull types i.e. he is openly against contraception.

xpost oh, i see. i'd like to get a transcription of what Huntsman is saying in the video. there's a part near the end where it says "What exactly does Huntsman stand for?", followed by a clip of Huntsman speaking in Chinese to a camera, and although almost zero Chinese, i do recognize that he's saying the word "America" or "Americans" several times in the clip. it's like...uh..he appears to be representing america...in his role as the ambassador to china...

Memo to Santorum: if you're going to misspeak, go nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WEdrdoz8Z4