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FEAR OF A BAN PLANET

it's my feeling that the fear of a SB / FP plays part of the role in keeping people acting decently in stressy/het-up situs.

you don't think some people who got sugg-bans (without necessarily getting 51'd) might enjoy the idea of being a controversial poster? that there was never a bragging element to post-yr-sb-number ?

I was braggin about how nice everyone must have thought I was since they didn't sb me too much. It was a holier-than-thou thing I admit it.

good point tho can we get a thread title change there pls

if people are in a stressy/het-up situation and their immediate reaction to that is to be needlessly offensive or otherwise make sb/fp-worthy posts, would they really have the self-control/nous to think 'oh no but i might be sb'd/fp'd so i shouldn't say that'? I feel like, when your difficult behaviour is brought up, the initial human reaction is much more to go 'fuck these people who can't handle me' and much less to go 'maybe i should tone down my carefully-crafted internet persona'.

i guess i felt like sb was more there for the people who got a month without [controversial poster] around, and less for [controversial poster] to learn any ~important life lessons~ about interacting with other people without pissing them off.

anyway, fp seems like an interesting idea, let's see what happens.

i symapthize w/ aerosmiths argument but it seems pretty clear that in practice SB wasnt an "anti-bullying" system so much as a "anti-annoying" system which seems like a stupid way to run a message board

ps i never read ILM

big ps there

xp: yeah, it seems like that's the way it really worked out.

and even in the context of anti-annoying -- like image-bombing wouldve just earned a straight up ban -- SB was more about being a long-term one-note poster -- frankly i dont feel comfortable leaving determinations of "one-note-ness" to a mob

Like, frogbs was either trolling or had desperately poor communications skills. Whiney is an short-tempered ape who shits on threads by nature (although he certainly has the capacity in his heart to be cool). Most other cases in which I can recall people being sb'd were just quirky.

I can't off the top of my head remember any people who were considered straight "bullies" after Dom. To be fair, I don't remember anything about the circumstances surrounding his ban.

i think SB removed some posters without whom ILX is much better - but those posters should have been permabanned by the mods anyway, regardless of SB. as a system it was entirely wrong-headed for reasons that seem obvious to me.

i think everyone who has been SBed came back? probably the posters youre thinking of were just straight up banned

- morbs
- deej
- whiney
- frogbs

who else has been sbd

yeah dom/jw/chaki/etc weren't 51'd

wasn't lj sbd

many times & his sb's are the strongest arguments against the system imo

A LIST!!!!

3 or 4 times iirc (xp re LJ)

bimble

I can't keep track of usernames, is LJ around these days? feel like flagging a couple of his posts would be a good way to acclimate myself to the new system

people like morbs, deej, whiney, k8 and tuomas should never have been banned - maybe given a time-out from a thread at most - but those are all long-term posters and strong, distinct characters who are all as loved as they are hated, and the haters should frankly just DEAL with them and their character peccadilloes instead of hiding behind a SB b/c they can't take someone who's a bit different

LJ around these days?

He posts here and there

Wait you mean 'Underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned' isn't LJ?

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

Lamp wrote this on thread ADMIN LOG WATCH on board Cape Of Good Hope on Feb 5, 2011

lol this is really sad but as far as i can tell:

2008:
deeznuts
country matters
2009:
gabbneb
tuomas
burt_stanton
dom
and what
captain lorax
gabbneb
doc morbius
bimble
pipecock
whiney
cankles
country matters (?)
special guest stars mark bronson/history mayne
geir
masonic boom
j0rdan s
2010:
cankles
whiney g
bo jackson overdrive/cattle grind
daramouss
masonic boom/karen d. tregaskin
evernn (?)
kelpolaris
ilxor
whiney
deej

Thing is, if there was an out-and-out racist troll or poster posting, I dunno, really obnoxious rape gags or something, the chances are the SB system flagged them up in the first place and they were banned way before the 51 mark.

There's not much point asking about straight-up policy at this point as it hasn't yet been determined (my guess is that a lot more mod discretion will be involved and I personally would be inclined to use more yellow cards). I'm sure Stet will post something once it has, until then there's not much point speculating, as people tend to say things that take on a life of their own on these threads.

this is better, and as sincerely as possible, thanks stet for the great work.

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

― onimo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amnesty for all!

Except Newgod

Newgod not actually banned iirc?

winter arrived for newgod

I FPed him.

feel newgod should be banished to his own sub bord forever begging to the void for someone to ban him

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

―onimo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amnesty for all!

―lag∞n,Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:57 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post

In favor.

not just the sbed tho, all the banned

hm.
http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/

I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...

and cats will lie with dogs

but those are all long-term posters and strong, distinct characters who are all as loved as they are hated, and the haters should frankly just DEAL with them and their character peccadilloes instead of hiding behind a SB b/c they can't take someone who's a bit different

lex, you have a distinct personality with plenty of peccadilloes/quirks and yet you've never been banned, how do you explain that?

I'm still kind of weirded out by the fact the admin interface shows who clicked flag post/sb! I mean, linking it to a post makes sense and it obviously has to store it in the database so that one person can't repeatedly flag another person, but it really raises the possibility of mod bias. I like all the mods, but having that level of anonymity when it comes to flagging makes it more likely people will flag when they feel necessary, not "omg is the mod going to judge me for flagging this or am I outing myself in some way"

for instance, if someone was the real life victim of something and doesn't want to admit it on board, but tends to flag posts that are in that vein...

To me, the banning is more of a protective measure than anything. Kind of a "why don't you chill because your life is being consumed by interacting with this online community in a way they perceive as negative, go get some perspective" thing

in the name of transparency this info should be made public

in the name of transparency this info should be made public

honestly the "system" would actually work if people would say "you're being an asshole right now on this thread, I'm going to flag the next asshole post you make" to the person they're about to flag. then that person could say YOU BIG BABY AWWW CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT and get the flag they want & deserve.

yes but yet still i desire to apprehend with mine own eyes this mod dashboard display

wait the system shows who flagged what? thought the whole point was anonymity

yeeeeah

stepping forward, i flagged the first post in this thread, just felt right

Not that I expect mods to be impartial, because they're human, but it'd be nice if the tools kind of helped them in that direction!

wait the system shows who flagged what? thought the whole point was anonymity
Anonymous from other posters, not from site mods. We need to be able to see if the FP is coming from a brand-new sock or w/e

I suppose we could hide it and just have "flagged by user who has made 3000 posts and been registered for 2 years" or s/thing.

mod visibility is good, it gives people who get their posts flagged an opportunity to claim that the mods have really got it in for them