if people are in a stressy/het-up situation and their immediate reaction to that is to be needlessly offensive or otherwise make sb/fp-worthy posts, would they really have the self-control/nous to think 'oh no but i might be sb'd/fp'd so i shouldn't say that'? I feel like, when your difficult behaviour is brought up, the initial human reaction is much more to go 'fuck these people who can't handle me' and much less to go 'maybe i should tone down my carefully-crafted internet persona'.
i guess i felt like sb was more there for the people who got a month without [controversial poster] around, and less for [controversial poster] to learn any ~important life lessons~ about interacting with other people without pissing them off.
anyway, fp seems like an interesting idea, let's see what happens.
― kale whale (c sharp major), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
i symapthize w/ aerosmiths argument but it seems pretty clear that in practice SB wasnt an "anti-bullying" system so much as a "anti-annoying" system which seems like a stupid way to run a message board
ps i never read ILM
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
big ps there
― flags post o fu (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
xp: yeah, it seems like that's the way it really worked out.
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
and even in the context of anti-annoying -- like image-bombing wouldve just earned a straight up ban -- SB was more about being a long-term one-note poster -- frankly i dont feel comfortable leaving determinations of "one-note-ness" to a mob
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
Like, frogbs was either trolling or had desperately poor communications skills. Whiney is an short-tempered ape who shits on threads by nature (although he certainly has the capacity in his heart to be cool). Most other cases in which I can recall people being sb'd were just quirky.
I can't off the top of my head remember any people who were considered straight "bullies" after Dom. To be fair, I don't remember anything about the circumstances surrounding his ban.
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
i think SB removed some posters without whom ILX is much better - but those posters should have been permabanned by the mods anyway, regardless of SB. as a system it was entirely wrong-headed for reasons that seem obvious to me.
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
i think everyone who has been SBed came back? probably the posters youre thinking of were just straight up banned
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
- morbs- deej- whiney- frogbs
who else has been sbd
yeah dom/jw/chaki/etc weren't 51'd
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't lj sbd
many times & his sb's are the strongest arguments against the system imo
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
A LIST!!!!
― flags post o fu (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
3 or 4 times iirc (xp re LJ)
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
bimble
― Derartu Cthulhu (NickB), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
I can't keep track of usernames, is LJ around these days? feel like flagging a couple of his posts would be a good way to acclimate myself to the new system
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
people like morbs, deej, whiney, k8 and tuomas should never have been banned - maybe given a time-out from a thread at most - but those are all long-term posters and strong, distinct characters who are all as loved as they are hated, and the haters should frankly just DEAL with them and their character peccadilloes instead of hiding behind a SB b/c they can't take someone who's a bit different
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
LJ around these days?
He posts here and there
― Derartu Cthulhu (NickB), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
Wait you mean 'Underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned' isn't LJ?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
I think this new system should be a Year Zero for New-nu-ILX and we should unban everyone, cancel all extant SBs/FPs, and see how it goes...
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
Lamp wrote this on thread ADMIN LOG WATCH on board Cape Of Good Hope on Feb 5, 2011
lol this is really sad but as far as i can tell:
2008:deeznutscountry matters2009:gabbnebtuomasburt_stantondom and whatcaptain loraxgabbnebdoc morbius bimblepipecockwhineycanklescountry matters (?)special guest stars mark bronson/history maynegeirmasonic boomj0rdan s2010:cankleswhiney gbo jackson overdrive/cattle grind daramouss masonic boom/karen d. tregaskinevernn (?)kelpolaris ilxorwhineydeej
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
Thing is, if there was an out-and-out racist troll or poster posting, I dunno, really obnoxious rape gags or something, the chances are the SB system flagged them up in the first place and they were banned way before the 51 mark.
There's not much point asking about straight-up policy at this point as it hasn't yet been determined (my guess is that a lot more mod discretion will be involved and I personally would be inclined to use more yellow cards). I'm sure Stet will post something once it has, until then there's not much point speculating, as people tend to say things that take on a life of their own on these threads.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
this is better, and as sincerely as possible, thanks stet for the great work.
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
― onimo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
amnesty for all!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
Except Newgod
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
Newgod not actually banned iirc?
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
winter arrived for newgod
― stet, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
I FPed him.
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
feel newgod should be banished to his own sub bord forever begging to the void for someone to ban him
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
―onimo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
―lag∞n,Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:57 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
In favor.
not just the sbed tho, all the banned
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
hm. http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/
― Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
and cats will lie with dogs
― stet, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
but those are all long-term posters and strong, distinct characters who are all as loved as they are hated, and the haters should frankly just DEAL with them and their character peccadilloes instead of hiding behind a SB b/c they can't take someone who's a bit different
lex, you have a distinct personality with plenty of peccadilloes/quirks and yet you've never been banned, how do you explain that?
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still kind of weirded out by the fact the admin interface shows who clicked flag post/sb! I mean, linking it to a post makes sense and it obviously has to store it in the database so that one person can't repeatedly flag another person, but it really raises the possibility of mod bias. I like all the mods, but having that level of anonymity when it comes to flagging makes it more likely people will flag when they feel necessary, not "omg is the mod going to judge me for flagging this or am I outing myself in some way"
for instance, if someone was the real life victim of something and doesn't want to admit it on board, but tends to flag posts that are in that vein...
To me, the banning is more of a protective measure than anything. Kind of a "why don't you chill because your life is being consumed by interacting with this online community in a way they perceive as negative, go get some perspective" thing
― mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
in the name of transparency this info should be made public
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
honestly the "system" would actually work if people would say "you're being an asshole right now on this thread, I'm going to flag the next asshole post you make" to the person they're about to flag. then that person could say YOU BIG BABY AWWW CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT and get the flag they want & deserve.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
yes but yet still i desire to apprehend with mine own eyes this mod dashboard display
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
wait the system shows who flagged what? thought the whole point was anonymity
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeeeeah
― mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
stepping forward, i flagged the first post in this thread, just felt right
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
Not that I expect mods to be impartial, because they're human, but it'd be nice if the tools kind of helped them in that direction!
― mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
wait the system shows who flagged what? thought the whole point was anonymityAnonymous from other posters, not from site mods. We need to be able to see if the FP is coming from a brand-new sock or w/e
― stet, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
I suppose we could hide it and just have "flagged by user who has made 3000 posts and been registered for 2 years" or s/thing.
― stet, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
mod visibility is good, it gives people who get their posts flagged an opportunity to claim that the mods have really got it in for them
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
that would be better I think.
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
But even so, a new user is only going to be able to flag someone once, right? Trying to block the possibility that someone is going to register 50 accounts to try to block someone seems to be planning for a really unlikely situation, imo
― mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
That modification wouldn't account for long-time-ilxor/everchanging-username dickholes.
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
wait is this sudden need to have fps anonymized from mods in response to an actual thing or are we just totally strawmanning right now
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:45 (twelve years ago) link