http://i.imgur.com/EQPbP.jpg
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
jesus christ
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
u r the tom brady of human dignity, america
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
afaict this is the group that designed the website
http://www.prospergroupcorp.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy72cdnKuhw
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
(I have to admit, it is a snazzy website)
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol u r the one who fails econ 101 Hoekstra ... u just looking for an excuse to make a ching-chong-chinaman joke.
― it might look subversive, but it's actually crap ... crap does exist (Eisbaer), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
was just going to ask who designed that website
― Chris S, Monday, 6 February 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
Eisbaer i think that was a copy/paste from facebook, i am not sure Hoekstra is lurking on this thread??? xp
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
i.e., american companies sending work that used to be done in the United States to China instead has little to do with the Chinese buying US debt.
― it might look subversive, but it's actually crap ... crap does exist (Eisbaer), Monday, 6 February 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
i miss the subtle racial politics of this ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gerq4GpHpKw
― buzza, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
"we take your jobs"
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
i can't believe this is a real thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI&feature=player_embedded
"debbie spend so much american money...your economy get very weak, ours get very good. we take your jobs!"
i mean, wtf?!? i can't believe there's an audience for this, that it doesn't trigger massive outrage from fucking everyone in the country. lol, i'm naive.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 6 February 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
I've found myself frequently surprised at what's still acceptable to a lot of people over the last year or so
― Chris S, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
say what you will but we all know now that on ilx this is racist, funny
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 February 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
at least long duk dong bothered w/an accent!
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
I demand higher quality racism
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
Wow. WTF!
― *tera, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
higher qual racism, few years old tho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OTSQozWP-rM
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 February 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
ha i remember that one
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
God lord I didn't watch the video for a while and this is an official campaign website of Pete Hoekstra?! With his face approving the message and everything? I assumed this was just some bullshit from some anti-China think tank.
I predict that the pundits are going to utterly destroy him.
Also, to echo Eisbaer's sentiments... yeah lumping every trade issue with China together as one big thing is very very bad politics. Our treasury bond deal with China is one of the nice parts of our relationship so to lump that in with things like human rights concerns and such 1) demonizes China and 2) further confuses economic reality in the minds of the public.
The blatant xenophobia of American conservatism is just truly disgusting. I mean, I really am shocked this is an official campaign site and not done by some two-steps removed PAC.
XXPS LOL Buzza I was just thinking about that bizarre small-town multiculturalism mind-fuck of a politcal campaign ad.
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Monday, 6 February 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
according to politico, this ad "hit a nerve"
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 6 February 2012 05:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I don't think that's the take the WaPo and msnbc folks are going to have on this one.
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Monday, 6 February 2012 05:54 (twelve years ago) link
The follow-up ad. will have some rich territory to mind. So far, they haven't even begun to address the whole peepee-in-coke angle.
― s.clover, Monday, 6 February 2012 06:15 (twelve years ago) link
er, mine, that is.
― s.clover, Monday, 6 February 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit this is amazing
*sound of a large gong*
― I Am Aguri Suzuki (King Boy Pato), Monday, 6 February 2012 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
q: why is she riding a bicycle through apocalyptic farmland if their economy get so good
― j., Monday, 6 February 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
They are growing nuclear bombs.
― Mark G, Monday, 6 February 2012 11:45 (twelve years ago) link
the apocalyptic farmland of california
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 6 February 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
Greatest democracy in the world ;_;
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2012 13:03 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
Pete Hoekstra, ladies and gentlemen. West Michigan's own Dutch Calvinist class act.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
i guess the silver lining here is that the chinese apparently no longer have the time nor the inclination to humorously urinate in our soda
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
Hoekstra has always been a horrible scumbag so I wasn't surprised by this.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
He's one of the ones that I really do hope gets hit by a bus.
Another rich, repellant Calvinist will just step into his place. You'd have to run over all of them. Which I'm not saying is a bad idea, just harder to pull off.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
another post by fallows on the ad
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/more-on-the-we-take-your-jobs-hoekstra-commercial/252661/
as somebody points out, michigan is where vincent chin was killed for looking 'japanese'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vincent_Chin
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
That was 30 years ago, though. I don't think many people today would sympathize with this ad.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
expect his next add to be a dramatic re-enactment of this
In 2003, Stabenow married Tom Athans, now co-founder of Democracy Radio and former executive vice president of Air America. By this marriage, she has a stepdaughter, Gina. Stabenow and Athans divorced on May 28, 2010, approximately two years after Athans was detained in Troy, Michigan, as part of a prostitution sting.
― buzza, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
Ugh.
But Hoekstra said the ad, filmed in California and featuring an actress whose parents are Chinese, was only insensitive to Debbie Stabenow.
"The Chinese benefit from the recklessness of U.S. spending. It doesn't criticize the Chinese," he said.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
admire hoekstra for doubling down
also
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/this-is-so-classy-yellow-girl/252685/
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
hint: the people investing in the US economy are not riding bicycles in rice paddies
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
every time I think this can't get worse, it does
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
Pete 'Spend-It-Not' Hoekstra / Taco Mayor 2016
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
Davis was also the creator of two other memorable political ads, Christine O'Donnell's "I'm Not a Witch" and Carly Fiorina's "Demon Sheep" ads
I wonder why people are still paying this man to make horrible ads that (hopefully) will help torpedo their careers.
Also, I had no idea Witch and Sheep were made by the same guy. Holy crap.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
How does this guy get work? This is not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely baffled as he seems to bring nothing but bad publicity for his clients.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
I think you are underestimating the strength of the bubble his clients live in. I mean, how do you look at a script where you have to utter the sentence "I'm not a witch," and not say "you know what, I'm calling an audible here: gtfo"?
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
that Hoekstra is defending this ad in the face of criticism makes me want to ragebarf
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
there's not much worse in the political world than the west michigan conservative dutch
― long duk dan (dan m), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
oops laurel already mentioned that, hi 5 laurel
― long duk dan (dan m), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
I am becoming more and more convinced that that ad company is intentionally sabotaging its clients
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Thursday, 5 April 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://blog.angryasianman.com/2012/11/campaign-flier-features-candidates-face.html
― 乒乓, Sunday, 11 November 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda more nationalist than racist cuz she wite
― iatee, Sunday, 11 November 2012 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
ime, to the people who this dog whistle attracts it doesn't matter if youre chinese or chinese-american
― 乒乓, Sunday, 11 November 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I mean on no level can chinese-americans benefit from stereotyping but the core of this is an economic nationalism message that both parties use these days. but I think you can be something of a economic nationalist without being totally racist. like, keep the message and 'facts' and take out the dumb theme - is that still race baiting? idk.
― iatee, Sunday, 11 November 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
i think an ad decrying jobs lost to england or even socialist france would have a somewhat different feel
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 November 2012 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
Debbie Stabenow won btw
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 12 November 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
but I think you can be something of a economic nationalist without being totally racist. like, keep the message and 'facts' and take out the dumb theme - is that still race baiting? idk.
― iatee, Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:55 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I dont think this is possible fwiw when an easily identifiable racial minority is involved
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
I guess what I'm trying to say is that although this is clearly racist in that it works off lol south park stereotypes, it's still mostly pushing the bigger narrative 'they're taking our jobs'. a narrative that does not benefit asian-americans either. but is not entirely untrue.
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
not really concerned about the 'trueness' of this tbh
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
well what I'm more saying is that yeah, 1000 people in cleveland got this or w/e, but the big picture issue is mitt romney (and barack obama) talking about taking our jerbs back from china in front of 80 million people
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link
what I'm saying is that there's p much no way to score political points on this topic w/o also tarring asian-americans who live in this country
and the rhetoric shouldn't be about demonizing china, it should be about criticizing the companies who decide to offshore in the first place.
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
well it's complicated. like I don't think #1 is untrue but that also doesn't mean that chinese currency manipulation hasn't been a major factor in jobs going offshore
and if we start attacking companies who decide to offshore, we're still participating in economic nationalism and promoting a sort of 'made in america' culture.
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
okay but you wouldn't have splashover onto asian-americans, which is all I really care about tbqh
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
I mean I get the appeal of a rarefied "technically this is true" thinking but on the ground this type of attack politics has real actual effects on actual people, no matter how carefully crafted the political message is
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link
well china's exchange rates have actual effects on actual people too! I mean w/ this particular ad it's not even 'technically this is true' but my bigger point is that the umbrella narrative that this is happening under (china takes our jobs) generally isn't considered objectionable, even by the left
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
I think we're talking past each other
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
/ and I think that is a much bigger problem than goofy fake chinese font xp
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
uh this isnt really about a 'goofy fake chinese font'
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
the takeaway box trope is awful tho i guess that & vague economic resentment the extent of a lot of ppls engagement with 'china'
― Rachel Howley-Waugh (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky
― Rachel Howley-Waugh (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
what's it about? I basically think some dumb flyer's asian stereotypes are 'less problematic' than the big picture narratives that the entire country accepts w/r/t trade policy but #2 is harder to question / talk about
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
xp
this sort of imagery is inherently toxic
― Rachel Howley-Waugh (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
taking it to fb because I don't really feel like getting into this on here
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
us-china relations are going to get ugly enough in the next decade without this sort of crap
takeaway box is a sort of racism-by-synecdoche
― Rachel Howley-Waugh (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
After several campaigns by the Scottish Executive, more people in Scotland now acknowledge that this name is indirectly racist.
are you fucking kidding me?
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
what? a white guy thinks the racism angle isn't really a big deal? eat it edward r murrow I've got the scoop of the year
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
what? aero purposely misreads an iatee post so he can get a zing in?
the point wasn't that 'the racism angle isn't really a big deal' the point was that the racism angle that 1000 people get isn't as important as the racism angle that 300 million people get
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
which is 'an american deserves a job more than a chinese person does'
eh, more that products purchased in america should be economically viable to produce in america, thus encouraging local employment
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
that same logic works in china! where people are poorer!
― iatee, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
what, like no one owns foxconn? not /everyone/ is poorer
a friend I was talking to last night had been in china recently and people were excited to see her using a tablet running android! they'd never seen android, since apparently devices aren't sold there or are somehow legally restricted. she wanted to use google docs, though, but it was banned by the country's firewall. a lot of android devices are manufactured in china!
she also talked to some people who had seen a tv show about american dollar stores, and they were surprised by the variety of items available for only a dollar. how much do you want to bet a fair number of things were actually made in china?
the economics, manufacturing, and product availability of things is weird, I guess.
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
just saying. samsung is a big player in chinese smartphone market (19% market share) (galaxy android phones on taobao) and htc. i bought a samsung galaxy in dalian in april. google docs usually works for me in china but gets locked up about as often as blogger does (goes in erratic cycles). chinese consumers like apple. china has their own version of dollar stores selling the same cheap shit for less than a dollar and you can find the same shit in any corner store or downmarket department store.
― dylannn, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
and other android devices widely available in china: http://s8.taobao.com/search?q=android&pid=mm_10011550_2325296_9002527&unid=&mode=63&from_bt=1&initiative_id=staobaoz_20121111
― dylannn, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it seemed really off to me! I'll have to ask where she was. The intermittent lockdown was what she meant, though.
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link