raiders ends up just being about a mildly successful archeological dig
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
if tuomas' definition is arbitrary, its no more arbitrary than your def
haha i agree with t-dawg's definition but i think hes misapplying to 'raiders'
― (_()_) (Lamp), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
wait how is the main conflict resolved in raiders if not through action
The conflict is resolved by the bad guys not knowing the history of the object they're dealing with and getting themselves killed by it. The hero survives because he has that knowledge and uses it. The same basic thing happens in Last Crusade. They're both about historical myths, about uncovering secret information, following a trail of clues to find a mythical object, having the knowledge of what it does. That's why I think they're more adventure movies than action. The physical action isn't essential to the main plot.
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
can we move on
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
the action isn't the story tho.
This coulb probably be said about any action movie except maybe Crank. Plus also, Lost Ark was obv made to be a thrill ride on the screen.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Until omar comes back and gives us the next 10 movies, misplaced micro-analysis is probably all we have to look forward to.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
i mean "physical action isn't essential to the main plot" can we move on
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
― (_()_) (Lamp), Monday, February 13, 2012 2:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah totes. i mean i think of it as an 'adventure' movie first but it is also definitely a balls-to-the-wall action picture
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
GOD KILLS THE NAZIS VIA ACTION, THUS RESOLVING THE PLOT
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
so... melting faces and torsos with holes burned in them aren't physical action?
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
one of my fave archeologogical movies for sure
― beware of greeks bearing petrol bombs (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
BUT IF IT'S GOD, IT'S NOT *PHYSICAL* ACTION. UNLESS GOD MANIFESTS HIMSELF AS BRUCE LEE AND KICKS NAZI ASS.
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
By this definition every horror movie would be an action movie too.
nic cage steals the decleration of independence
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Indiana Jones movies remind me of Before Sunset in that physical action is not essential to the main plot
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Indiana Jones movies remind me of Before Sunset
Something that has never before, and will never again, been said.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
my main point of semantic disagreement would be that an 'action movie' also uses action to define or develop character - something the indy movies def do - in addition to the way action furthers the plot. like i guess you could argue that belloq opening the ark isnt an 'action scene' but i think its impossible to create and define that character of indiana jones w/o the films action sequences
but i mean i also think that the plot is p extensively driven if not 'resolved' thru action so
― (_()_) (Lamp), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
the ending of raiders is sorta weird for its non-action aspect of indy being tied up and not doing anything except turning his head away from the bright light
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Some horror movies are also action movies, yes.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
indiana jones 4 should have just been indy and karen allen running into each other at his book signing, going for a walk and taking stock of how their lives have changed
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Any stringent definition of "action movie" is going to fail and be applied in a way that was not intended by the author of the definition.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
poll of yr favourite movies about choosing a cup
― beware of greeks bearing petrol bombs (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
I totally agree. My point was just that faces melting per se doesn't make an action movie.
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
It will also probably annoy me and some others here.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
2 girls 1 grail
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
camera lingers over a dusty old whip hanging from a hook, roll credits
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Indiana Jones 4, directed by Woody Allen
― White 'Poop' Jesus (snoball), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, I don't disagree that "action" is probably the secondary genre of all Indy movies, after adventure. But I tried to limit my ballot to movies where I felt it was the primary genre.
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
"so, indy, any wild motorcycle chases lately?""are you kidding me? I'm a tenured professor in the fucking aarp. That'd be ridiculous."
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
do you think the Bond movies are action Tuomas?
― Number None, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
arent all movies a bit of an adventure when u really think abt it
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Tuomas, Monday, February 13, 2012 2:35 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark
its more like 1a and 1b to me
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
Raiders of the Lost Ark is a comedy because it is often funny.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
all movie plot are dependent on physical action. Even the assholes in Waking Life have to talk. Now if you want to say an action movie plot must be dependent on KICKING I'll read your pamphlet.
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Depends on the Bond movie, I think. Some definitely are, some maybe aren't.
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
my dinner with andre: is it an action movie?
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
yes, someone has to pick up the check at the end or it can't end
― da croupier, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
THERE IS NO END...THEY ARE STILL NOT-EATING DINNER (because eating would be an action)
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
concievable
― some dude, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Chen Chen returns to the international compound of China only to learn of his beloved teacher's death. This is compounded by the continual racist harassment by the Japanese population in the area. Unlike his friends, he confronts it head on with his mastery of LITIGATION while investigating his teacher's murder.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
if i remember TV Guide correctly, Raiders of the Lost Ark was classified as an "action/adventure" movie **** violence, adult situations. why can't it be both?
― Spectrum, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
you keep saying that word. i do not think it means what you think it means. xxp
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
V surprised Dirty Harry and Assault on Precinct 13 aren't much higher. Con Air is a fine, fine film (tho no Rock) and have a big soft spot for ToD. MUST SEE Branded to Kill as near immediately as possible. Wd've voted, but yeah list intimidation/time constraints. No conceivable way I'm not going to enjoy the rundown.
― The Winged Devil Ape (Fizzles), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
did anyone actually vote for "the rundown," which is a pretty fresh action movie
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
i dig the rundown a lot, but i didnt vote for it
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
kinda wanna see it again, as i have no memory of it besides being somewhat charmed
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
time constraints- took me 20 mins, tho tbf it shows
― beware of greeks bearing petrol bombs (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
im looking at my ballot now and i gave a 'joke' nom 40 points. kinda regretting that
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
which one
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
the s1ock charmed by the rock
― some dude, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link