i'd be willing to support a flag burning amendment if it included a proviso that all confederate flags must be forcibly confiscated and publicly burned
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
xp
just need to be sure you understand that people will continue to use drugs of all sorts, regardless of legality or not, ease of access or not, free rehab or no rehab, or whatever song and dance society attempts to use to control drug use. people have always used drugs. every culture has its approved or tolerated drugs. whenever new drugs become available in a culture, no matter how dangerous, that drug finds new users. the only relevant question is not how to stop people from killing or harming themselves with drugs, because you can't do that (except as a goal you will often fail to achieve) but how do you keep the damage down to the smallest social cost.
hating that drugs foul people up and ruin their health and dull their minds is not a position on what to do about that. Legalizing, at its very root, means you stop regulating drug use by treating users as criminals and locking them in prisons. After you accept that idea as sensible, then you can try to construct a different approach to minimizing the social cost of drugs... or else you can stick with making criminals out of users.
― Cosy Moments (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
as i said, i am against the drug war. i don't believe in the lock-everyone-up philosophy. i don't think that that is the answer. i also don't think that full legalization, even well-regulated legalization is the answer. i don't know the answer. policy isn't something i think about, i only think about where drugs are in my life and the part they play. we disagree, but can we at least agree that there are more than these two black and white options you're assuming i consider?
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
i'm just sick of industry and government making money off of misery. billions spent on keeping the drug war alive. in my fascist state the government doesn't make money off of addicts or dealers or cartels or the mob. it can take the revenue generated from taxed legal product though.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
banning the lottery too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
smoking should be banned everywhere but in private homes.
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
we would burn all organic crops and replace them with genetically altered food. we would ban all public, private, and imaginary displays of sentimentality.
we would tear down the rainforest and replace it with a power plant. we would ban dancing, non-electronic books, pornography and wood.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
read that as 'non-pornographic books', nodded
― boxall, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
your insolence has been noted
― Banaka™ (banaka), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
my boring/obvious fascist platforms:-every fucking region/city/town/outpost of every state, gets basic fucking internet access. guns will be pointed at heads of wireless companies and they WILL go into the mountains of W.Va and eastbuttfuck nowhere because i motherfucking said so-Child Protective Services becomes a division of Delta Force, and get whatever goddamn money, time, and intelligence they need to put fear in the hearts of child abusing assholes
crazy IA platforms
-all bicycles are fitted with electroshock triggers so that when cyclists fail to obey BASIC ROAD RULES they are electrocuted.-outlaw out-of-season tomatoes-out of tune whistlers and out of time handclappers are captured and funnelled into an underground labor camp-jaywalkers shot into the sun-FINALLY AN END TO BROCCOLI
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
oh that gives me some ideas for the libertarian thread
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
Would it be acceptable to just keep the brocolli hidden when you come to visit?
― Cosy Moments (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
NO
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
― tanuki, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'm kinda for the Judge system in Mega City One. If someone is witnessed commiting an act of physical or sexual violence, that person is summarily executed. Orrrr maybe just sterilized. Maybe we can weed the better part of that shit out in a few generations.
Any televised news must be like C-SPAN (i.e. no flashy graphics, music, movement of the camera). National political candidates are allotted, say, five debates and five town hall-style meetings in this format. All other campaigning/coverage/expenditure of political monies is illegal. Term limits are eliminated. Probably some more iron fist regulations I haven't considered yet.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
Oh. People need to pass some basic civics test before voting. Maybe they're required to have watched a certain number the aforementioned debates/town hall meetings, as well.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
just make them pay a fee
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'm for a civics test as long as it includes stuff like 'does lowering taxes raise revenue'
actually I'm cool w/ that being the only question
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
k3vin is the least fascist person on ILX
― boxall, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
haha my bad i guess I'm ruining the fun, can't tell if this is supposed to be like "hahaha i'd freaking shoot all republicans, you know?" or if people are actually serious about these. i have lots of these obv many of which have already been mentioned
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago) link
well you can't shoot the republicans if you banned guns in the other thread
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
i dont really care what ppl do or think or drive as long as they dont exist near me
― (_()_) (Lamp), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
^^ pretty much
― tanuki, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
- ban A Prairie Home Companion- regardless of parents tastes, children must dress age appropriate until college, illegal for department stores to sell children's thongs, midriff tops, bikinis, etc- anyone with a memorial emblazoned on their car must be forced to carry the corpse within the car at all times- food network channel fined a bajillion dollars for every day they fail to cook anything resembling actual food on their programs- all superfluous self-congratulatory award shows are banned. The public votes once a year for their favorite whatevers, award cermony held on Superbowl Sunday eve
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
ok here's a more genuine fascisty thing: i think education in this country ought to be a lot more tracked, tiered and restricted.
it'd only really work if you also made it possible for ppl to make a living w/o a 4-yr degree tho
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
can you say more about what you mean?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
NO!
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
haha. it's tracked and tiered in Europe, right? i have only the vaguest sense of how it works.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago) link
lol, just being fascist
idk either tbh. or if it's better. but my fascist impulse is that not everyone is really cut out for 'higher learning' and so it's a big waste to try to jam everyone through it.
you'd need a really serious moon-shot national effort to overhaul elementary ed, and to really track kids into and out of the right places. educational privilege must be broken, but that does mean a lot of kids not going to arizona state anymore etc
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link
there's a libertarian side to that too
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
what w/ student loan programs etc.
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i can see how that makes sense but the actual practice of tracking is kind of hairy.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
idk you don't have to call it tracking, you can call it '4 year degrees not necessary for all americans'
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
right that might be more achievable, anyway
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
also de facto tracking happens anyway :(
anyway anyway anyway
what about student POGROMS
I mean, this is the fascist thread after all
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
/sorry
haha
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
Okay, I might be wrong, but what I think you mean by 'tracking and tiering' isn't the answer to too many people going to university. It's a method of filtering, sure, but it's mostly a terrible method that is already biased from class perspectives.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
yes but if i were dictator it would work out great
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:01 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah this is basically the problem. race perspectives too.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
well we have enough college educated white people so i would put the kibosh on that for a while
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
the prob is even worse when you're funneling poor people into for-profit degree programs and people are defending it for equality of opportunity reasons even if large amounts of debt might be a pretty bad way to go about equality
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
you're definitely right about that
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
conversations about fixing education always have to become conversations about fixing everything else
but that reminds me, in my fascist regime, the university of phoenix & c. are going down
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
i guess that's not challopsy enough
i thought i was going to be so good at this thread