The Mormons

catholics'l' take you right up to the actual time of death but tbh once you're gone you're gone

you've got a lot more faith in the depth of religious education enjoyed by most americans than i do, shakey...

this is seriously not news to anyone who follows Christian theology in America. GOP Xtian primary voters have already made up their minds as to how they feel about Romney and his Mormonism - some will undoubtedly refuse to vote for him and that will be one of the reasons, others will find plenty of other reasons not to vote for him. And some will vote for him anyway and say it doesn't matter.

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re: abbott

well, sure, your own planet sounds awesome, but people are always declining salvation in all the other religions too. i guess if they never built 'finding out whether the soul really wants it' into the baptism ceremonies then the default answer is, no, they don't really concern themselves with that possibility.

i'm imagining, like, a ceremony where you wait to see if a light goes on. or a candle burns out.

hey if it's good enough to choose a pope........

you've got a lot more faith in the depth of religious education enjoyed by most americans than i do, shakey...

lol do you know what the biggest show on Broadway is this year? Do you know how much American evangelicals have had to say about the Mormon church over the years? Do you know how many Mormons are out there proselytizing about their religion to the general public on a daily basis? gimme a break.

if even a small percentage of conservative/independent voters were repelled by this, it could make a huge difference in romney's chances overall. liberal and anti-romney religious leaders are seriously dropping the ball if they don't try to manufacture a big OUTRAGE! over this. libs get a pass, of course, if they'd rather see romney in the general...

if geo. lucas CGI'd your dead ancestor into phantom menace, there'd probably be some legal recourse, but would there really be any in this case? I suspect a lot of the offense is amplified by there being no other deterrent.

no one will manufacture a big outrage over this because it is not news.

also directly impugning anyone's religion is reaaaaaallly treacherous territory politically - which is why, so far, most of the evangelicals who actively hate Mormons and don't consider them Christians have, for the most part, kept quiet about this small bigotry. Romney has plenty of other liabilities ripe for exploitation, no need to lay any landmines re: his religion.

Do you know how many Mormons are out there proselytizing about their religion to the general public on a daily basis? gimme a break.

i bet one in five americans don't really know how an internal combustion engine works. i bet a substantial number don't know anything about catholic or mormon doctrine. whether or not such people vote is a fair question, but i don't see any reason to throw away an opportunity to foment OUTRAGE! against romney and the creepy cult from which he sprang. if obama's church were doing something similar, would conservatives seize upon it and make a big stinking deal about it? hell yeah they would.

why isn't anyone trying to tear David Archuleta's career into shreds over this, I ask

there's probably nutters on fox news comments doing exactly what shakey says wont happen, and on other websites. These guys will go loooooow as they can to get their message out.

here's a piece from SEVEN YEARS AGO detailing evangelicals well-established antipathy towards Mormons

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if obama's church were doing something similar, would conservatives seize upon it and make a big stinking deal about it? hell yeah they would.

damn right

was that card ever played against Harry Reid?

you guys are missing my central point, that the people who would use this against Romney have already known about this notorious practice of the Mormon church for decades. it is not a new angle to exploit against him. and they have plenty of other weapons in their arsenal that don't have the propensity to backfire like attacking his religion does.

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was that card ever played against Harry Reid?

in Nevada? hell no.

suspect that conservatives don't wanna go after romney on this soley because he's on their side. only an idiot takes shots at his/her own team. if romney were a democrat, however, i bed we'd be hearing a LOT about it. maybe not from mainstream sources with respectability cred, but definitely from the "fringe", from the designated "not-mainstream" voices.

Ha, the other way around, Mormons hate that Reid is repub: "Several Republican Mormons in Utah have contested his faith because of his politics, such as his statements that the church's backing of California's Proposition 8 wasted resources."

not repub, dem
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high-minded liberal refusal to take the obvious shots often confuses me. no one has to demonize mormonism or mormons. if powerful jewish voices were raised in protest of this specific practice, and if powerful christian and democratic voices echoed the cry, then i could see this becoming an effective tool against romney (and against the mormon church in general). maybe best saved for the general, i dunno...

the general assholes

ah, and maybe i'm wrong. maybe it would come across as cheap, underhanded religion-bashing no matter what. was just a thought...

IDK it doesn't seem that weird TO ME

bigger scandal could be: does romney tithe based on total revenue or income from speaking fees only?

yeah net or gross income tithe, Romney>?

Obama's mother posthumously baptized into LDS Church

Obama: SECRET MORMON

they stole his dead mother.....now he wants her back (liam neeson as b obama)

if romney were a democrat, however, i bed we'd be hearing a LOT about it.

no. No one has attacked Reid for simply BEING a Mormon.

This is not a story. No one in the US reads the Guardian, this story won't even get reported in the American press, much less exploited by anyone for political gain.

lol do you know what the biggest show on Broadway is this year

If there's one thing deeply conservative religious Americans love, it's Broadway.

could someone tell me if shakey thinks this is an important news story? thx

Basically I just want some reporter to ask Romney about if he's wearing magic underwear right now for the ensuing lulz.

Yes. Yes, he is.

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As someone who will likely be baptized posthumously into the Mormon church, I just look at it this way: in the afterlife, I'll open up my wallet and there'll be an LDS card. And much like the expired Books-A-Million card I have in my wallet now, I'll go "the fuck is this, I'm never going to use this!" on occasion before sticking it back in there with my other cards because, let's face it, sometimes I'm on the toilet and need something, anything to read.

no. No one has attacked Reid for simply BEING a Mormon.

yeah, but nevada is a heavily mormon state. wouldn't make political sense to anger mormons in nevada, so reid's always been safe on that score. anyway, i'm not talking about directly attacking romney. i'm talking about subtly encouraging sympathetic jewish and catholic religious leaders to make a big, bloody ISSUE of the post-mortem baptism of holocaust victims and the like, enough to bring it into the news cycle. then the fringier, angrier, "grassroots" elements of the democratic base could run with it like a pack of maniacs - the way the tea partiers ran with obama's birth certificate and the swift boaters ran with gore's war record - all while the "respectable" dem leadership remained above the fray. dirty pool, in other words.

real problem, i suppose, is that the dem base isn't terribly upset by the practice, and don't do outrage for sport. they seem averse to moral outrage on general principle, tbh. so they won't seize on the story organically, and any attempt to conjure up the appearance of a "controversy" without corresponding public anger would probably backfire. ah, well. it was a fine dream...

Obama's mother posthumously baptized into LDS Church

Not only Obama's mother, but Simon Wiesenthal's parents as well

And we've come circle.

Which usually doesn't happen in LDS since everything is for eternity.

haha I should have looked at the whole thread

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Yah Mormonads

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otm about white-boy slap bass, at least

lol THIS one I can get behind:

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Don't text on a date, you dummy!
Heavenly Father is on my side when it comes to phone etiquette.