SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO DIE, OKAY? SHE DOESN'T DIE. She's a Canadian economist who is SMARTER than half of the CIA and she and Bourne/Webb cooperative put the pieces of his life back together and SHE'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT HAPPENS.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:47 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omg this makes me even madder! she was my favorite.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
I wish Franke Potente was in more stuff. She was on House a couple seasons ago but I feel like she's really great and never got enough work.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
she was on a late season of the shield but the role didn't give her a lot to work with.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
Not "less" emotional but it makes his emotions just vengeance and anger and stuff. It would be boring if he was like, I just want to take care of this so I can go home and mow the lawn, c'mon, guys, you already killed my entire first family. You owe me.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
i spent the entirety of the second bourne movie hoping she would spring up around a corner, magically resuscitated.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
Frank"a" not "e" oops
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - lol me too
well, clearly she isn't the only way that happens since they did it in the movies via Julia Stiles' character, and also in the movies she was a German hobo and not a Canadian economist
she was still pretty damned smart though, just massively unlucky
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
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#30
THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM
Paul Greengrass2007United States(315 points, 11 votes)
That thing ran like a well-oiled machine. The fight scene with Desh particularly stood out, insofar as it recalled some of the fight scenes from Batman Begins in its "the camera is barely sufficient to fully capture the swift and brutal fervor of hardcore slugfests" approach, except that the Bourne fight was wholly coherent despite the blinding pace. Nolan should be taking notes.
― Deric W. Haircare
I totally agree with this. I have a really low tolerance for fast-cut close-up fight scenes (I know this is turning into a bit of a "use other criticisms of action films please" thing, but it's TRUE!). This was fast and close-up as you like, but you could totally follow what was going on, physically. Great editing.
― Alba
I've seen the last one already and think it was the greatest of 3. i liked last 2 also but ULTIMATUM was a rock. I loved the part when he called that guy and asked him where he was, and then after that guy told Damon that he was in the office Damon replied: If you were in the office we would have this conversation face to face. Funny guy. I liked it! recommend to everyone
― RJG
The Bourne Ultimatum
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
I think the Bourne trilogy is, collectively, my favorite straight-up action movie. Most of the rest of my favorites probably wouldn't stand up to Tuomas's rigid action movie definition.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
her death was pretty women in refrigerators-y, though dramatically effective. always left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Lola is Laurel's Goose
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
ultimatum's set pieces are incredible. the moroccan foot chase culminating in the best, most brutal fight in the series, is remarkable. that fight blows me away. but as a movie it pisses me off a little, especially compared to how compelling supremacy was. i think its kind of lazy crap, to be honest. and the new york car chase always left me wanting
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
just remembered that Bourne swept this poll i did a while back: best blockbuster multi-movie franchise of the 2000's
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
Oh I despised her death! Especially since it happened right at the beginning of the movie, which always strikes me as dramatically unimaginative; I always appreciate it more when a long-term character suddenly buys it 20 minutes before the movie's climax because it's usually a total blindsiding (see: Serenity).
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
This exchange was worth the price of admission alone, sadly can't find it on Youtube.
CIA Agent: Uh, sir he drove off the roof.Noah Vosen: What?CIA Agent: He drove off the roof!
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
paddy considine's death in ultimatum is pretty funny though.
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
the worst modern offender for 'women in refrigerators' syndrome was probably '24', which was kind of bourne-y in an amazingly stupid way.
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
I started to read the first Bourne novel and thought it was sub-Clive Cussler/Dirk Pitt, tbh. The dialogue was clumsy and it didn't have any of the bad-assedness of the movies.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
back up a second, holy lol @ "he just didn't"
sooo, can the vampires in blade be read as a metonym for the IRS?
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
for a sec i was trying to figure out what "Pretty Woman in refrigerators" could mean
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't recall any sci-fi content in Chain Reaction, but it was so forgettable I can't say. Like JMnemonic, it grossed about $20M domestically, so it's hard to get "fatigue" from something you never saw.
well-oiled machines vs thrill rides vs cinema
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-made_play
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
when the first Bourne movie came out, my brother called it "a stair-driving tour de force," and that's still the phrase that pops into my head when i think about those movies
i think i've seen them all but they've honestly left zero impression on me, for some reason idgaf about the whole thing
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
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#29
THE BOURNE SUPREMACY
Paul Greengrass2004United States(325 points, 14 votes)
aside from its untradtional narrative (task rather then charchter based), its short cut, dark colour, murkly light, paranoid pacing and almost manic editing. it also did not have the hollywood endings, the geewhiz spy shit was kept to a bare minimum and the acting was first rate (joan allen and matt damon)the interesting thing was how much of it was a current meaphor of intellgenice, w. allen tying to find the truth about governments secerts and another, ugly, fat, white, bad suited, (obv. republican) agent got money from russian oil, said things like i am a patroit and wanted to "liquidate" the assisan because he might have know things about said dirty deals.
the actor looked like dick cheney with hair, and the oil company was called pukev (shades of yukov--sp)
the ethical nature of the cia, what they did to bourne and the implications of that was not approached in the movie directly, but hinted at thru the obv. ptsd amensia that bourne had, and julia stiles having a line about the mental health effects of the work.
(speaking of stiles--there was a scene w. him and stiles in a train utility room, which looked standard man beating up standard women, action movie misogyny, until he loses it, on the cusp of sanity, and you have no which way to tell how he will react)
car chase in moscow that ends the movie, catastrophic and true, no fancy balachine with buicks, just a hard death to the end of a hard movie)
― anthony
i luvved it, maybe more than the first (it's been awhile since i've seen the first), no clive owens this time round though so probably not. not an ounce of fat on it, the narrative was trad spyflick 101 - not quite sure what you're on about there anthony - with any deviations from a->b->c being when it focused on character. damon plays it lean, comes a helluva lot closer to being delon here than he did in ripley, joan allen is good, brian cox actually somewhat disappointing - less interesting replay of william stryker, i kept waiting for anna paquin and iceman to pop up during the confrontation scene. julia stiles gorgeous per usual, but when she was terrified (and that scene was kinda harrowing cuz it did seem very possible bourne would off her) she looked like an angry baby. the deaths actually felt like they mattered, i'd rathered it'd ended with him walking away in the snow in moscow after asking the girl to forgive him instead to the relatively glib ending that tacked on, but i guess they felt this made the better dooropener for the sequel (which i will see).
― cinniblount
I'm a total playa-hata when it comes to high-speed editing, and while this could be seen as the case in BS, I think it's more the case of quirky hand-held cinematography and the lack of lengthy scene-setting and lengthy pace-making that makes the film feel as frenetic as it does.
and total props to Damon who's really growing into himself. There're an awful lot of close profiles of Jay Bourne, and the character - and actor - has a face that's at once doe-eyed and hard-edged. As Bourne drives through Berlin at night, the traffic lights refracting off the raindrops on the car's windshield glance against the prep-school impertinancy of his cheekbones, and the shadows gouge deep ruts into his cheeks and offset the funny hardness at the end of his nose. It's easy to imagine Damon evolving into a Cagney-type.
And Brian Cox is, again, absolutely amazing.
― j e r e m y
you need to see the bourne supremecy right now...like right fucking now
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
the Bourne movies just are really not based on the books, theyre a diff style of thing, the screenwriter has said that he actively dislikes the books fwiw
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
hah, wow
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
lol are these really one right after the other? ha.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
x-post
kind of surprised that none of the bournes is going to be in the higher reaches of this poll. but lol at coming grouped.
― Jibe, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
should've been higher
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
...it was a simple twist of fate that i'm not dressing up in Neo suits at every Comic-Con in the western hemisphere right now.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:17 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's because you met a woman, right? And not some personality growth or w/e
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
"the actor looked like dick cheney with hair" resonates w/me
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
mad at myself for not at least voting giving bourses all the points they deserve better
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
man i used to drink and post a lot
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, really disappointed Supremacy isn't higher.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
It is by far the best of the lot. The fight in the kitchen, the improvised explosion... awesome.
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
I have a three-pack of them at home and have only watched the first one (and so, have been nursing an uninjured hand for 20 minutes) - I guess I should sort that out.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
2 > 3 > 1
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
2>1>3
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
tbf, they're all excellent and it's probably more like 2 > 3/1
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
1
― horseshoe, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
2-3-1, I think, but they're all pretty close
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
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#28
ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
Sergio Leone1968Italy/United States(346 points, 10 votes)
The score sets it all off perfectly Julio - you do know that Morricone and Leone worked in tandem and the score was meticulously composed scene by scene, and was built around the complex plans that Leone had in his head, down to the personalities of the characters and the events that take place in the movie. Even Harmonica’s blowing is deliciously well conceived – I mean who plays a harmonica like that – nobody right, because it’s the sound of a dying man’s last breaths.
― @lex K
Harmonica's origin scene tho, that's some awe-inspiring superhero type shit.
― Daniel_Rf
Not a word on Jason Robards yet? A legend for his stage work, this is likely his best movie perf. Can you believe Paramount cut his last scene in '69??
I go back and forth between this and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly as SL's best, but I always choke up at the water-carrying finale.
Also, seeing at least a couple Ford films where Fonda is the hero should be a prerequisite for enjoying him fully in this; it was considered shocking casting.
"Keep yer lovin' brother happy."
― Dr Morbius
Enthuse over Once Upon A Time In The West please
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
why would you nurse an uninjured hand
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
Glad someone asked.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
it's a euphemism
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
for milk
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
like when i told my wife i needed to unveil my poll
think that might just be european for "sucking my thumb" ?