A thread for JUSTIFIED, a TV show on FX starring Timothy Olyphant

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lol everytime I think of Dewey I think of him in the trailer with the hooker, naked wearing his cowboy hat

brb got a hot chick in my trailer

lolol

YOU MEAN I GOT FOUR KIDNEYS?

still lol'ing @ this

yeah that was classic. cartoonish but still funny. sort of convinced elmore leonard wrote that line himself.

I like to think he writes the funniest zings

and Raylan's pun was A+

I don't know if I ever mentioned this upthread but I heard somewhere that Leonard's one note to Olyphant after seeing the pilot was "lose the hat". O_O

i like this show a lot but i am having trouble with suspension of disbelief when they are supposed to be in frankfort, lexington, harlan etc and it looks nothing like any of those places. otherwise though it has wet my whistle and i can't wait to watch the older season(s?).

seasons - there's 2 before this one

just such enjoyable television. like i just find elmore leonard vibe stuff sooo fun, i don't even care that it's not wire caliber or that everyone has to do like ironic james bond bad guy gone hillbilly monologues before they kill everyone, it's just all so much fun...

also someone mentioned upthread about how they really stock their cast with good actors for every small role, like so many great people, like raylan's boss, etc even if they don't get a ton of time...

i feel like jeremy david playing dickie is right up there with olyphant and the dude that plays boyd too

love the name of this tumblr, just found it looking for a picture of boyd:

http://fuckyeahjustified.tumblr.com/

Yeah, the woman who played the dodgy nurse (Layla, was that her name?) was so good I was surprised when she copped it. Although I think they said she was going to make it, so maybe we haven't seen the last of her.

she had the sexiest snarl

yeah this is real talk, boyd's all-the-way-buttoned + flannel jackets is an amazing look

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:28 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

super OTM post here^

Boyd's "come into my parlor" sitdowns with Devil, and then Quarles were so fucking good. Goggins, man.

ive been watching this show and its v v enjoyable but really really really stupid. there have been more murders in one season of this show than there were in the entire state of kentucky in 2010

:D

>:[

it's not a documentary

yay kentucky killing fields! MOAR SHOOTIN

is there a more overrated virtue in entertainment than "realism"?

its just sort of tiresome tho like cant the show find another way of being 'exciting' w/o just killing people all the time? tbh it kinda feels like the show isnt that interested in anything but violence, which makes the show a fun distraction but sorta shallow? idk hs i want to like it just tim o is so dreamy and the dialogue is often p sharp but outside of the character of boyd its all so thin an well, dumb. like i think theyve tempered the rayalan myth stuff p well like having him get his ass kicked or the other characters kinda just rtde at him but i think the show is too casual and too quick to use violence to define its action?

i mean i watched the first season in like three nights while filling out grant applications, it was lots of fun but it just left a sour taste

it is tv, it is america, people be dyin

if you're looking for a rational argument with me about this show it's not happening

i am really quick to hurl the accusation that a show is shallow but i don't really think this one is. i don't know; it's so leonardy--lots of cartoonish characters that don't seem to have much depth but the realism is situational, or something? or the whole tone is so wry that the show can't let itself explore depth in a straightforward way. i should just work out my defense of this show on these grounds because it keeps coming up, and i understand the criticism, but ultimately disagree.

lol or what m@tt said

yeah this is real talk, boyd's all-the-way-buttoned + flannel jackets is an amazing look

haha in the most recent episode i watched he was wearing a charcoal plaid under this really stylish like maybe waxed cotton button up jacket and dark slim cut jeans and i was like 'lol he dresses like half the guys i know'

really this show is p stealthily stylish, feel like winona has some p excellent celine and apc style workwear, these trim and elegantly patterned silk floral dresses and blouses in trendy colors with good proportions

you must run in some p cool circles, a great look

i dont really want the show to be 'realistic' but i think that the cartoonish/gratuitous violence ends up giving these actions an uncomfortable weightlessness. and i also think the show is inconsistent about how it views 'legitimate' murder. like raylan got transferred to ky because he killed that guy but then he goes on to kill like a half a dozen more ppl really lightly. similarly the ag stuff w/boyd's shooting ends up being more about getting boyd out of prison than like ethical qn about how 'justified' it is for raylan to just go around killing people all the time

like i guess i feel realism aside that while the show sometimes seems interested in looking at the ethical qns around violence it leans so heavily on violence as a storytelling that any attempt to address the morality of this stuff is compromised and distorted. also on just a mechanical level the 'gotta shoot somebody' approach seems to offer real diminishing returns

lamp otm really but i'm liking this season's breezier, comic book-y murder rate. I think all the killings are still "justified"; no one is killed unless they drew first and if they are, then their comeuppance is forthcoming.

the justification is "me or you", consistently and anyone who oversteps that boundary pays the price, even if it's Mags. The reason Boyd and Raylan are, more or less, co-pro/antagonists and it's often hard to tell the difference who's in the right is because they share virtually the same moral code. It's only ethically that they disagree.

tbf post-S1 they've at least really toned down the number of people shot + killed by Raylan. (if not the baddies.)

I would say that it's been pretty consistent on the killing front. Just more of it this year.

raylan really kills that many ppl? i dont remember the 1st season bein that violent

Can't believe s1 isn't available streaming via Hulu, Netflix or Amazon. Booooo

Read the book of short stories Raylan Givens appears in, they're like short-fiction hors d'oeuvre.

raylan really kills that many ppl? i dont remember the 1st season bein that violent

i didnt finish watching this cuz i havent seen S2 but according to the person how made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7e5NQgwXw raylan has shot and killed 13 (!) people over the course of the first two seasons. also google autocompletes 'how many people has raylan givens killed?'

the last two episodes of season one are a bloodbath tho like all the people at boyds camp just strung up!

i dunno one person every couple episodes seems pretty par for the course with cop/crime shows? maybe i am revealing too much about myself here but the violence never really bothered me

haha maybe this is why i dont really like most cop shows :/

i mean i feel like i am being tedious going on about it so and i dont really have anything else to say, i guess i also think its 'interesting' that like criminal antiheroes could never kill people in such numbers so casually like its always a 'big deal' or a comment on their morality probably i am thinking about this show wrong

yeah i dunno i dont really have a defense, i guess the show operates in this kind of funny (and leonardian) space btw myth and genre convention and reality. so in some sense i want to write off the violence and death as formal (for the genre) & necessary (for the myth) -- but not sure how it fits into the shows 'realism,' such as it is

i will say that one thing i love about justified is that while it doesnt on the one hand seem to fully subscribe to the urhm mythopoetics of the_western or appalachia, its also totally uninterested in an unforgiven-style 'deconstruction' of those mythopoetics. this is kind of standard for leonard & i love it.

sorry for using the word mythopoetics but you know

That's a good 50c word, max, you should not apologize!

I guess I am kind of, I dunno, amoral when it comes to violence on TV. It only bothers me if the show is bad. Like, if the show seems stupid then I will start noticing ott violence or whatever. But if the story/dialogue/characters are good enough, then they can stack the bodies like cordwood and I won't raise much of an eyebrow. Well, I mean...crazy violence is crazy violence and that stands out, but as max pointed out, really in the context of what is a cops/robbers show the violence in 'Justified' doesn't seem all that out of balance to me.

but I'm kind of a bloodthirsty sumbitch, lol.

I probably wouldn't watch an entire season of Raylan at a desk job while a shooting was investigated for proper use of force.

no actually I would

truthbomb

poor ol dewey

I love that Raylan doesn't care about "shitkicker on shitkicker crime".

"Today is opposite day" LOL

i liked the second season a lot, i think the thing i liked about the show is that it often feels like and is structured as if it were a procedural crime show but the actual narrative is closer to the longer season-long sweep of a cable drama. so its satisfying in a regular, dependable way but still manages to give the storylines some space and time to breathe and conflict and deepen.

"Oh, I didn't bring a knife!"