what did people think about the digitally composited boat scenes?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, i just wanted the boat
― Number None, Friday, 17 February 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
have you ever considered the possibility that the boat is the penis?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes a boat...
― Number None, Friday, 17 February 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes a boat iirc
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
did I mention already on this thread how much I enjoyed freud's office - amazing art direction
Why is Viggo not in Cosmopolis?
― Number None, Friday, 17 February 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
i mean he could have been the limo driver or something
― Number None, Friday, 17 February 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
i know i want these dudes to make movies together until theyre both really old
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 February 2012 04:16 (twelve years ago) link
cronenberg is already pushing into oldness, but he looks good for his age (68 i think).
and yes re. art direction. the contrast b/t jung's office (and home) and freud's home was effective, i think. it rhymed with the way freud accuses of jung of being a hypocrite for proclaiming his normalcy so loudly while being as fucked up as anyone else.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
i think the last third of the movie could have actually used an extra 10–15 minutes just to clarify the evolving dynamics b/t the three main characters.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
oh wow i didn't realize he was that old
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 February 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
he's been doin' it for 35-40 years after all
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
more than 40. first quasi-feature was in 1969.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo_(film)
yeah I saw Stereo, didn't recall the year
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think 'dry' is the word, because it was very glossy, but i found this so stifling. & i thought keira was really good, but that how expressive or affecting she could be was limited because it was so leaden. i just didn't understand why the veneer of formality was totally necessary, like the scene on the ferry. someone says something charged & a bassoon blows & a piano tinkles for a moment. i felt like i was reading the novelisation of a film, it was so piecemeal, so ornate. i enjoyed the freudian psych 101 but that was the only register in which it connected for me, as a kinda didactic learning appendix rather than as an engaging or cinematic portrait.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:07 (twelve years ago) link
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:12 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
yea totes
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:08 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
you mean jung's boat?
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
no when they take the boat to america
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
"jung's boat" sounds like an indie band from 1988
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
freud's pipe
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
otto's ladder
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
i liked this it was pretty good. i feel i'll have to rewatch because on reflection my judgement of keira knightley's performance was probably unfairly tinted by the ott-ness of the first few scenes where her jaw was doing all the acting. it felt a bit slight and maybe wasn't quite fleshed out enough to work as a character study, but as biopics go i'd rather have scenes of p unfiltered psychoanalytic chat for some reason than scene after scene of expository ~major events~.
― shart practice (Merdeyeux), Friday, 24 February 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
so Viggo's next role is as William Burroughs/Old Bull Lee in On the Road...?
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 February 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
i think the exaggerated quality of knightley's performance in the first reel was calculated -- it demonstrates how far she's progressed thanks (in part) to her sessions w/ jung. and it allows her to play her later scenes a bit "wiggy" without seeming too mannered -- since she then seems positively normal compared to those first scenes.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 February 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
Was going to see this in Memphis today, but we're going to stick close to home while the ugly weather passes through the area, and go tomorrow instead.
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
YOUR CHILDREN ARE GLORIOUS
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
this was good but i never got a handle on what was keeping the spark alive between jung and spielrein, which is a shame because it's the pivot of the whole movie
i also didn't really buy her as a gifted thinker, which it seems the real spielrein was
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
****SPOILERS AND SHIT****
i agree with your first point. i cringed a bit when jung delivered the money line, "you're the only one i've ever truly loved." i don't mind that it's, as they say in these parts, on the nose. but it does seem to reduce a fairly complex and ambiguous story into something a bit too neat. there's no way to know whether we're to take that pronouncement as definitive, but seeing as it's stuck in the ultimate scene it's hard to know what else to do w/ it.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
btw i don't know if that quote is verbatim but it's not far off.
felt like this movie needed a narrower focus to avoid feeling shallow in its approach to everything - is it a movie about psychoanalysis, or a romance between jung & spielrein, or an account of jung & freud's friendship, or a jung biopic...? i dont think it really does justice to any of these elements
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
the freud/jung stuff was most interesting to me
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
me too, cuz freud was by far the most fascinating character in the movie
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
i did kind of enjoy the sort of... confused and sour note it ended on with jung sitting there. which made a genuinely interesting contrast with the "whatever happened to..." titles before the credits.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
do you think that's just b/c of viggo's general charisma and awesomeness or do you think it was a more interestingly written character?
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YES
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
That Freud is the more interesting writer and thinker, in my judgment, comes through in Viggo's perf.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
i think the jung character comes across by far as the least self-possessed, or maybe we could say having the least self-knowledge of the three. at the same time he's not nearly as enigmatic as freud, who seems to see through everything.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
everyone looked v nice in the movie, excellent interior decore, good clothes, vv strage performance by keira knightley
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
think everyone likes the Freud/Jung stuff the best. Might not have been quite as interesting if it was the whole movie though. It's a perfect role for Viggo really, he can just pop up occasionally smirking and waving his cigar around and put the other actors in the shade
― Number None, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
the end shot w/jung sitting there immediately brought to mind the final shot of eastern promises
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
i think i mentioned this already but a woman behind me yelped out 'WHAT??' when it went to black on that shot
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
'NO!!!!'
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
POOP!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it felt early, like there was something else to come. nothing was resolved!
it moved along very quickly for a 100-minute movie, didn't it?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
nothing was resolved!
just like psychotherapy amirite? and a full 100-minute session.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
I would love to see more movies that happen in an early 20c medical environment. That whole era of leather straps and brass plates is horrifying and amazing.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 March 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
Thought this was quite good. As I've mentioned on this and other threads, I haven't liked a Cronenberg film since Dead Ringers. I remember reading an interview with him sometime in the '90s, and it was like he'd developed a chip on his shoulder in terms of the industry and the general public not properly appreciating his films--not a good position from which an artist to do his work, if you ask me. Maybe some of the accolades for A History of Violence (didn't like it) and Eastern Promises (didn't see it) helped him move past that, I don't know, but it felt like he was really in control here. My knowledge of the principals and the subject matter is very basic, and that probably helped--someone who knows more might find inaccuracies and simplifications. Cronenberg's an exceptionally smart guy, though, and I trust him to be careful about that. Keira Knightley should have been up for all the awards--there's a ferociousness to her performance that's very unsettling, especially in the early scenes (more muted but still present towards the end). Viggo Mortensen wasn't quite how I imagine Freud--more wry than severe--but he and Fassbender are good. The (brief) flagellation scenes were the only part of the film that struck me as obvious, but I suppose they have to be there. My favourite Cronenberg film is The Dead Zone; I'm probably the rare person who think he gets better when he reins it in a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEBuqkkQRk
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
I'm probably the rare person who think he gets better when he reins it in a bit.
If I'm interpreting "reins it in" correctly, I'm with you. Reined-in Cronenberg: all the eighties films after Videodrome, Naked Lunch and the two most recent ones. M. Butterfly is where reined-in just looked like repression, however.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
I should clarify that...He had a habit of sticking in really gross stuff past the point where I didn't think he needed it anymore: the ending of Videodrome (mostly excellent), the ending of The Fly (ditto), parts of Naked Lunch (not a fan). He reminded me of Husker Du trying to force hardcore onto Zen Arcade at a point where I didn't think they needed that anymore either. Again, most Husker Du fans disagree.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
My favorite Mould project is Sugar so...
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link