Yeah, a ballot one - a reg one has probably already been done.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah NxNW probably invents or at least standardises a bunch of action movie tropes, in a similar way to how Psycho wd stake out the slasher movie soon after.
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, you know, after thinking about if for a sec, NxNW is totally an action movie! I probably would have mistakenly overlooked it (even though I love it unreservedly - i go back an forth on this, but it might just be my fave Hitchcock) but it def belongs here.. good work!
― Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
E, you haven't seen nxnw? :O indeed
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
wha?
― Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
The very first porn I was ever in was called Rear Window.
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, February 17, 2012 12:20 PM (1 minute ago)
good thing it wasn't rope
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
saw nbnw projected on a summer night in a public park years ago. it was great, especially seeing it with a very large and knowing adult audience
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Nope. I know. I should get on that, huh?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
E, I wish I were you so I could watch NxNW for the first time!
― Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
ha! I just added it on NF.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
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#17 (TIE)
STARSHIP TROOPERS
Paul Verhoeven1997United States(408 points, 12 votes)
I keep wondering what Starship Troopers would be like if it did get all point-serious at the end -- if it was a tragedy, where all the fun jingoism and such wound up with the square-jawed children being universally massacred, or else dominating aliens that we turn out to be sympathetic toward. That would pretty much suck, I think, which reassures me that it really is about the aesthetics -- the aesthetics call for the triumphant ending (with all its attendant hollowness and satire and grotesquerie). Which, ha, means that right now Starship Troopers is like a future-vision of what people wanted to think the Iraq war would be like, at first ("U.S.Earth! U.S.Earth! ... It's frightened!"), whereas a real-world complexity-of-politics turn at the end would make it just a bad future version of what the Iraq war is actually like.
― nabisco
A lot of Starship Troopers is basically the same kind of humor as when South Park did the Braveheart battle against the evil turkeys, except with the added sick twist that the shit in Starship Troopers is kinda stuff some people will still go for in a non-funny way. (This is the other angle of the concept, which involves making this over-the-top camp thing knowing full well that some movie audiences would just swallow it whole.)
that is to say, i don't know that many directors besides verhoeven could put over the cartoonish elements of this film with such conviction, but also get the tone of the satirical passages just right. i think perhaps a slight confusion or ambivalence on verhoeven's part (concerning the somewhat elaborate meanings of the screenplay) functions nicely here. i also think it's important to remember how much a screenplay can dictate, or at least suggest, ways that a scene can be shot/staged/etc. neumeier's script is very detailed.
― Amateur(ist)
"Starship Troopers" - Verhoeven is a mad genius!
― omar little, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
too low maybe
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp - would Morbs survive a surprise win by The Birds in a Hitchcock poll?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
What a thrilling experience.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
Starship Troopers sincerely makes me wanna live in a fascist khakistocracy
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
Love that those two are tied tbh.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Also, if you haven't seen Charade, maybe you should queue that on Netflix as well. xp
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
or I Confess.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
or The 39 Steps
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
Point Blank was my #1!!!!!!
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
im glad ST didnt make the top 10. i love it though! they used models for the spaceships so those effects still look pretty good. one of basil poledouris' best scores, along with robocop and conan.
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
I can't really get behind The Thing as an action movie, although it's definitely an awesome movie.
Had a totes different experience the last time I saw it, imagining the Thing as the protagonist who's just trying to survive and escape from a hostile environment the only way it knows how. The movie totally works on that level, to the extent that I feel it was somewhat intentional on Carpenter's part to not paint the Thing as pure evil incarnate.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
sure there are gonna be 15 films better than ST but it is very pleasurable
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/OBk0C.gif
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
those were some good posts to quote re: ST too
jake busey's neon green violin
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
would Morbs survive a surprise win by The Birds in a Hitchcock poll?
if you can't kill me with these two films being tied, you've done your worst.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
I like viewing HAL in 2001 the same way, imagine you made a mistake at work so then your colleagues decided to kill you! it was self defense I tell you.
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
loool morbs
Wow, I can't believe Starship Troopers 2 & 3 are gonna place higher than the original.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
i was so fucking disappointed when i saw a bit of ST 2.
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
and i like all the cheapo japanese Scanners knock-offs
I can deal with someone thinking that The Birds is Hitchcock's best. I can't deal with people thinking Le Samourai and Starship Troopers are the same kind of film.
(or The Lady Eve and Knocked Up)
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Serious question, Morbs - does 'fun' or 'enjoyability' have any value in your aesthetic criteria? I mean in the sense that something that's simply fun to watch can be better than a serious, accomplished film that isn't as joyous?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
what is this thing called fun you speak of?
― scott seward, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
final one for awhile, 11-15 later.
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#16
THE ROAD WARRIOR
George Miller1981Australia(411 points, 13 votes)
The Road Warrior was simply everything a teenage boy could want in a single action movie.
― Alex in NYC
i love these movies. i have to admit that gibson really has a ton of charisma on screen.i think i prefer The Road Warrior because it's just so relentless.
― ryan
My dad rented Mad Max and the Road Warrior for me when I must have been 8 or 9 and they blew my mind. Before that I was so into the whole slick '80s neon futuristic vision of the world but these movies turned me all cyberpunk.
― walter kranz
― omar little, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I wasn't disappointed. Going into it knowing it wasn't Verhoeven & obv just exploiting the success of the first movie. As far as I'm concerned, ST has nothing to do at all with 2 & 3. No, I wasn't disappointed, I was just disgusted with myself for being willing to sit through anything that has explosions, guns or blood in it, regardless of how godawful it is.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, February 17, 2012 11:37 AM (4 minutes ago)
you issue the best challenges, srsly
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
ya lookin to get yaself some gasoline
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
rw 4ever.
― scott seward, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
haven't watched Mad Max 1 or 2 since the mid-80s i think, so i found it difficult to remember them apart and just gave the first 1 my votes
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
2 days ago I saw a rig that could haul that tanker
if you want to get out of here... talk to me
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
xxxxp
maybe i saw the wrong ST 2 bit cos it was so cheap and didn't have any decent action in it?
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Starship Troopers features one of the all time awesome commentary tracks from Verhoeven.
I paraphrase: "People criticize the movie for glorifying fascist. It is not glorifying fascism! These guys are THE BAD GUYS! That is why they are WEARING BLACK! THEY ARE DRESSED LIKE NAZIS! NAZIS!"
But better, in his awesome Dutch accent.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Road Warrior is so badass.
LOSERS WAIT
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
let me guess if youve actually seen starship troopers morbs
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
tbf it's not like he'd behave at all different if he had
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
but anyway, comparing films like 'le samourai' and 'starship troopers' and 'nxnw' is GREAT! it's an awesome thought experiment imho. (and they are all more similar than you'd prob like to think.)
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
does 'fun' or 'enjoyability' have any value in your aesthetic criteria?
When you're as critical as Morbs is (and I mean this in a polite way) you're too busy dissecting films you watch for flaws and/or deeper meaning to have any actual fun with them.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link