xxxxp
maybe i saw the wrong ST 2 bit cos it was so cheap and didn't have any decent action in it?
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Starship Troopers features one of the all time awesome commentary tracks from Verhoeven.
I paraphrase: "People criticize the movie for glorifying fascist. It is not glorifying fascism! These guys are THE BAD GUYS! That is why they are WEARING BLACK! THEY ARE DRESSED LIKE NAZIS! NAZIS!"
But better, in his awesome Dutch accent.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Road Warrior is so badass.
LOSERS WAIT
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
let me guess if youve actually seen starship troopers morbs
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
tbf it's not like he'd behave at all different if he had
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
but anyway, comparing films like 'le samourai' and 'starship troopers' and 'nxnw' is GREAT! it's an awesome thought experiment imho. (and they are all more similar than you'd prob like to think.)
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
does 'fun' or 'enjoyability' have any value in your aesthetic criteria?
When you're as critical as Morbs is (and I mean this in a polite way) you're too busy dissecting films you watch for flaws and/or deeper meaning to have any actual fun with them.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
morbs seems to always come back to this argument that boils down to being against aesthetic open-mindedness in any way
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Road Warrior is the only Mel movie I can stomach because it really is just so good. not because of him tho, really.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
does he actually dissect anything? I've only ever seen broad strokes
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I have seen it, s1ocki. It was OK, and DUMB, and hence not in the top 20 of anything except maybe Paul Verhoeven films.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
dumb in what way
never seen a man beat the snake before
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
*dying* at this btw
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkOqiweYfwQ
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
look at it
xxxp
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
ya i loved that in the commentary
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
when you watch any movie for the first time aren't you judging it? Serious question.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
calling ST "dumb" is next-level trolling
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
I understand love and obsession and bookishness but I don't understand reverence. The placement of these movies together is great fun.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
what bemuses me a little about Morbs' take on these things is that often the big differences seem to be simply differences of societal norms, like yes romantic comedies in the 21st century are frequently crasser, cruder and swearier than their mid 20th century counterparts but the level of wit or craft probably doesn't change much across the genres as a whole, allowing for a lot of shit from 60 years ago being all but forgotten
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
"When you see them in the black uniforms, you should know it is BAD! BAD BAD BAD!"
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
you disobey me... you puppy
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
lol 'look at it'
― Johnny Fever, Friday, February 17, 2012 12:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i cant speak for m-dogg but i'd say this is a mischaracterization
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
This is interesting insofar as it is very similar to what baseball fans who have no use for (or no desire to learn about) the sabermetrics/Moneyball statistical analysis approach to the game say about those who do.
And in both cases, the only counterargument I have time for is "balls!"
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
I remember liking Tim way WAY back when, but god nose how it's dated.
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
If the story or performances don't suck me in, yeah...I start nitpicking. But I typically don't enter into a film I've not seen before with the intent to analyze it rather than simply watch it.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 17, 2012 11:50 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know this wasn't directed at me, but absolutely I do, I try very hard to immerse the movie or the novel or the play, and at least operate on two levels, one of which is the pleasure of being taken over by the experience itself as it is unfolding.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
i can't not analyze something while i'm watching it, it's part of the whole process
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
no way are there 15 better action movies than The Road Warrior.
― ryan, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
I am super curious about the top 10 now
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
My takeaway of 95% of movies is usually ways they could have been better, tbh. Though that does not preclude my enjoying/appreciating them, typically.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
but the level of wit or craft probably doesn't change much across the genres as a whole
By the filmmakers considered to be "at the top" of their genres I sure as fuck can see a couple steep declines....
here I am "having fun" with NxNW! (I might as well get something out of this thread)
http://www.slantmagazine.com/dvd/review/north-by-northwest/1628
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, obv #1 is going to be Time Cop but what will 2-10 be?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
there are at least 15 non-English action movies better than RW and it looks like a lot of them aren't gonna make the cut
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
How many did OL say he was doing today?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
lol so Morbs basically spends the entire thread bitching and being pissy, then throws up a link for page views, which I'm certain he will get from many of the ppl he's been bitching about
it's like watching someone run PUA game
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know what that means DJP, but it sounds right
btw the levels of the Hitchcock canon are pretty well entrenched by now... if you did a ranking poll the most suspenseful thing for me would be how close I could come to picking the order.
(Individual lists always more interesting than collective, now and forever)
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
maybe slant "magazine" told him they'd theoretically pay for articles if they get more than 50 hits
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
there's 2 or 3 of Hitch's 30s films that I'd rate right up there but the problem with the orthodoxy about Hitch is that it's mostly right
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
they also want you to stifle
xp
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
this list pretty much IS an 'individual list'
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
you seem to get the most upset when we swerve away from canon
this is an idiosyncratic weird list on a loosely-defined topic, that is its strength
stop fighting it morbs
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
I think we're going up to 11 today with the top 10 coming on Monday
many xps
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah and tbh i can quite easily see two maybe three deliberately non-canonical picks ending up really high in an ilx hitchcock poll simply because thats ilx orthodoxy
― 99x (Lamp), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
look I know this is just a dumb goddamn poll I never should have looked at in the first place but someone using "more important to my childhood" as a decisive criterion... it's inimical to how I approach these things as a cineaste, and the results that alternate world-class auteurist works with cable junk just shows you guys aren't even doing what ya wanna do well.
I like Marnie more than Strangers on a Train or Rebecca
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
really don't know why anyone cares what morbs thinks about anything anymore. or acknowledges his posts in any way.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, February 17, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree, which is why you should care less about this thread. I suspect, without knowing you, that you are just enjoying being the cranky foil on this thread, and care very little about what is basically a bunch of kids having fun. And it would be out of earshot, too, if you didn't keep opening the window to shout at us.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link