A thread for JUSTIFIED, a TV show on FX starring Timothy Olyphant

yeah this is real talk, boyd's all-the-way-buttoned + flannel jackets is an amazing look

haha in the most recent episode i watched he was wearing a charcoal plaid under this really stylish like maybe waxed cotton button up jacket and dark slim cut jeans and i was like 'lol he dresses like half the guys i know'

really this show is p stealthily stylish, feel like winona has some p excellent celine and apc style workwear, these trim and elegantly patterned silk floral dresses and blouses in trendy colors with good proportions

you must run in some p cool circles, a great look

i dont really want the show to be 'realistic' but i think that the cartoonish/gratuitous violence ends up giving these actions an uncomfortable weightlessness. and i also think the show is inconsistent about how it views 'legitimate' murder. like raylan got transferred to ky because he killed that guy but then he goes on to kill like a half a dozen more ppl really lightly. similarly the ag stuff w/boyd's shooting ends up being more about getting boyd out of prison than like ethical qn about how 'justified' it is for raylan to just go around killing people all the time

like i guess i feel realism aside that while the show sometimes seems interested in looking at the ethical qns around violence it leans so heavily on violence as a storytelling that any attempt to address the morality of this stuff is compromised and distorted. also on just a mechanical level the 'gotta shoot somebody' approach seems to offer real diminishing returns

lamp otm really but i'm liking this season's breezier, comic book-y murder rate. I think all the killings are still "justified"; no one is killed unless they drew first and if they are, then their comeuppance is forthcoming.

the justification is "me or you", consistently and anyone who oversteps that boundary pays the price, even if it's Mags. The reason Boyd and Raylan are, more or less, co-pro/antagonists and it's often hard to tell the difference who's in the right is because they share virtually the same moral code. It's only ethically that they disagree.

tbf post-S1 they've at least really toned down the number of people shot + killed by Raylan. (if not the baddies.)

I would say that it's been pretty consistent on the killing front. Just more of it this year.

raylan really kills that many ppl? i dont remember the 1st season bein that violent

Can't believe s1 isn't available streaming via Hulu, Netflix or Amazon. Booooo

Read the book of short stories Raylan Givens appears in, they're like short-fiction hors d'oeuvre.

raylan really kills that many ppl? i dont remember the 1st season bein that violent

i didnt finish watching this cuz i havent seen S2 but according to the person how made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7e5NQgwXw raylan has shot and killed 13 (!) people over the course of the first two seasons. also google autocompletes 'how many people has raylan givens killed?'

the last two episodes of season one are a bloodbath tho like all the people at boyds camp just strung up!

i dunno one person every couple episodes seems pretty par for the course with cop/crime shows? maybe i am revealing too much about myself here but the violence never really bothered me

haha maybe this is why i dont really like most cop shows :/

i mean i feel like i am being tedious going on about it so and i dont really have anything else to say, i guess i also think its 'interesting' that like criminal antiheroes could never kill people in such numbers so casually like its always a 'big deal' or a comment on their morality probably i am thinking about this show wrong

yeah i dunno i dont really have a defense, i guess the show operates in this kind of funny (and leonardian) space btw myth and genre convention and reality. so in some sense i want to write off the violence and death as formal (for the genre) & necessary (for the myth) -- but not sure how it fits into the shows 'realism,' such as it is

i will say that one thing i love about justified is that while it doesnt on the one hand seem to fully subscribe to the urhm mythopoetics of the_western or appalachia, its also totally uninterested in an unforgiven-style 'deconstruction' of those mythopoetics. this is kind of standard for leonard & i love it.

sorry for using the word mythopoetics but you know

That's a good 50c word, max, you should not apologize!

I guess I am kind of, I dunno, amoral when it comes to violence on TV. It only bothers me if the show is bad. Like, if the show seems stupid then I will start noticing ott violence or whatever. But if the story/dialogue/characters are good enough, then they can stack the bodies like cordwood and I won't raise much of an eyebrow. Well, I mean...crazy violence is crazy violence and that stands out, but as max pointed out, really in the context of what is a cops/robbers show the violence in 'Justified' doesn't seem all that out of balance to me.

but I'm kind of a bloodthirsty sumbitch, lol.

I probably wouldn't watch an entire season of Raylan at a desk job while a shooting was investigated for proper use of force.

no actually I would

truthbomb

poor ol dewey

I love that Raylan doesn't care about "shitkicker on shitkicker crime".

"Today is opposite day" LOL

i liked the second season a lot, i think the thing i liked about the show is that it often feels like and is structured as if it were a procedural crime show but the actual narrative is closer to the longer season-long sweep of a cable drama. so its satisfying in a regular, dependable way but still manages to give the storylines some space and time to breathe and conflict and deepen.

"Oh, I didn't bring a knife!"

olyphant's line readings have become real things of beauty

kinda bummed re: no hat in this ep. But he kicked ass.

great episode

loved how the "next one's coming faster" line showed up again. also how art's beating the shit out of that suspect showed up again. what a great show.

and the re-iteration via Winona of "what am I, an asshole?", and every single one of Gutterson's lines...

this is the only thing on tv i get jumpy about not having watched if it's already aired cause I'm afraid i'll catch a spoiler

No surprise, but it was renewed for a fourth season.

:D

The face-off between Raylan and Win Duffy last week, in the empty room...they were throwing some A+ oneliners at each other.

Loved Stephen Tobolowsky's bit part as the FBI guy.

damn really looking forward to this tonight.

me too

Qualls is one freaky mofo

I've only watched the first season so far, but I did just see "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia," which totally makes even the most ridiculous scenarios of this show seem totally plausible.

Goddamn this was a good episode.

I love Dicky Bennett's crazy Kaczynski steez at the hearing, and the way his mullet has grown out into a crazy fauxhawk

"i already got a father"
"i know i met him"
"good point, go on"

I've enjoyed this show all season, but I wasn't quite sure if they had a solid enough idea of where all these disparate threads were heading, so this episode was exactly what I needed. All the elements moving together, as well as continuing to subvert expectations on the 'powerful' Detroit operator. I just hope Adam Arkin turns up again.

Fucking great this week.
probably not quite as good as last year but still the best show on the teevee. really psyched for the windup next week.

it's weird how preordained all this shit is
like you KNOW that babyhead is gonna die in the last ep and that black bbq mobster is gonna live to fight another day
one is justified, the other ain't

I had an argument with my friend last week who swore up and down that Dickie was going to get offed

To me they don't have a show if they don't keep Dickie, Raylan and Boyd in the mix. I mean, def Raylan and Boyd, but Dickie adds that unknown extra factor whenever he shows up, because he's just smart enough to not get killed but dumb enough to fuck things up for everyone.

I think they have a few options for that wild card character... Raylan's dad, Dewey Crow, any ol' shitkicker hooker they choose to give more than ten lines
Dickie definitely developed into a real humdinger of a type this go-round

was anyone else surprised that Erroll wasn't really rolling over on limehouse?

i love how everyone constantly comments on and insults quarles looks, excellent running joke

well he clearly ain't from around there

I hope Dickie sticks around for another season, I can't even imagine how awesome his hair would become.

I love the joke from the previous episode, where the drugdealer's mom says Quarles was 'husky' and they have that whole conversation about him being fat until she reveals that no, he looked like a sled dog, lolololol

ha yes totally, also this ep 'big baby head'

it didnt look like dickie was shot to death fwiw xp