IT IS.
― omar 13337713 (Leee), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
I wish it was much, much gayer.
― polyphonic, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
fight club is one of those films i'd be inclined to revisit if the nature of its appeal to so many folks didn't seem so dubious. i'd need some distance from it (in the form of time) before i could probably assess it fairly.
TBQF i'm not a big fincher stan anyway. we've been through this before, but although i'm not really sold on the auteur/metteur en scene distinction, i think explaining fincher as a metteur en scene makes a lot of sense. he applies a lot of creativity and craft to scripts which run the gamut from pretty great to pretty bad.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Fight Club just annoys the hell out of me. Needs more gay.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
feel the same way about scorsese btw
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
xpost ha
also true
fight club is dumb. unless you are a stoner college student. then its friggin' brilliant.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
What's a "metteur en scene"?
― Tuomas, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
i kinda wanted my money back after i saw The Game. i was conned. i should have called the cops.
Anyway, I gotta agree that Fincher's movies shine or stink on the strength of their scripts (which IIRC he doesn't write). For example, Benjamin Button looked gorgeous and was masterfully directed, but the plot was just boring and pointless, so it was not a good movie.
― Tuomas, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i need to watch ronin again. oddly, I have no memory of it - though I did see it in lolcollege, so there is probably a good reason for that.
― Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
fincher's like the nu-ridley scott but i think rids is better, like even the past decade he's made a couple of stone-cold epics that i oft view w/a strong drink in hand followed by a post-screening rumination. kingdom of heaven should have found a place on my ballot (and maybe this poll!)
― omar little, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
The fact that Fight Club became this aspirational message movie that supposedly tapped into some huge feeling of disenfranchisement was just a huge facepalm to me. Like, really? THAT movie speaks to you? And the whole unreliable narrator thing annoys the fuck out of me, at least with this movie. I'd rather something that's ballsout batshit right-wing crazy aspirational, like Red Dawn, than some made up 'maybe it is real, maybe it isn't' crap. the wishy-washyness really bugged me. the whole thing bugged me.
all of it annoyed me except meatloaf, basically.
end rant.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, fight club seemed crazy dumb to me when it came out. i think sometimes i don't understand movies, though.
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
I love Fincher, so hating Fight Club should pain me. but it so doesn't.
― Tuomas, Monday, February 20, 2012 3:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It means he's like Michael Mann
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
you guys are breaking the first rule abt fight club
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
i think the paluhnik thing works best as kinda high concept gross-out clive barker in lit clothing but if you try to get all heavy and existential with me i ain't having it.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
For me the problem with Fight Club is that it's most vocal stans seem to have completely missed the point of the film.
― White 'Poop' Jesus (snoball), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^^
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
and speaking of clive barker and david cronenberg, everyone should have voted for nightbreed. action-packed!
― scott seward, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
If FC was not held up to be more than it is, it wouldn't annoy me half as much
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
BAKULA ~ O'CONNOR ~ JANSSEN
Clive Barker'sLORD OF ILLUSIONS
― omar little, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
i would have voted for that, maybe.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
everyone should have voted for nightbreed. action-packed!
plus it features cronenberg as a therapist/serial killer!
― Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, February 20, 2012 4:35 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
aloh
― max, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
bummed that ilx doesn't consider 'no country for old men' and action flick
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
a guy was doing work on our house and i showed him my room full of records he said "so is this your man club?" hahaha! i think he meant man cave. i blame man cave phenomena on fight club. pretty easy to blame lots of things on fight club.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
xxxxp the central idea of the film is that 'you don't have to be a corporate doormat, but at the same time, you don't have to destroy civilisation to do that'. Aside from that the film is a satire, of consumerism, corporations, advertising, self help groups, and even of the ideology Durden spouts (which is no different really to the other self help ideologies featured).
― White 'Poop' Jesus (snoball), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
Driving Miss Daisy action flick y/n
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
The film essentially has two twists. The first being the Calvin & Hobbes twist, the second being 'oh, you know that Tyler's worldview is just bullshit, right?'.
― White 'Poop' Jesus (snoball), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
The Fight Club Pretzel
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
"man cave" crap has a lot more to do with annoying suburban homes with a finished basement "tv room" with the couch that has cupholders and all kinds of college/pro football paraphernalia on the walls than Fight Club, ime
The fact that Fight Club became this aspirational message movie that supposedly tapped into some huge feeling of disenfranchisement was just a huge facepalm to me. Like, really? THAT movie speaks to you?
I dunno, the essential hilarity of needing a support group for being a disenfranchised WASP is still present for me. The only real "this is somewhat uplifting" scenes are those where Pitt/Norton are talking about how their lives are a struggle, and even those are really just a whiner talking to his homoerotic imaginary friend who looks like Brad Pitt
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
the movie is pretty much a homoerotic Calvin and Hobbes
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
vaguely remember something on the internet about that
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
haha I really dug this for a week in hs or something
http://ignatz.brinkster.net/cfightclub.html
― iatee, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
'oh, you know that Tyler's worldview is just bullshit, right?'
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Jane Austen's Fight Club >>>> actual Fight Club
susie derkins>>>>>>>>>>>whatever they called that wretched helena bonham carter character
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 February 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
tbf I first saw Fight Club during my first semester of college, on opening night, in a kind of crappy old theater. A friend who was kind of my movie-going friend wasn't able to make it so I watched it again with him the next night.
I am that guy.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/efeb4dc1b6/jane-austen-s-fight-club
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
Fincher apparently made the bathroom scene deliberately homoerotic to throw the audience off as to where the plot was going. I don't actually see it myself. That scene just makes both Jack and Tyler out to be daddy hating whingers - when I saw it my reaction was that Jack had chosen his apartment dwelling Ikea buying lifestyle, no-one was forcing him into it. What today would be labelled '1st World problems'.
― White 'Poop' Jesus (snoball), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
i just feel funny watching movies where i want everyone in the movie to die. feels wrong somehow. that's how i feel about a movie like fight club.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 February 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
i've also read interviews where fincher claims or pretends to be completely oblivious to the homosexual subtext of that scene -- to the point of being resentful that the interviewer even broached it.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
so yeah to follow up on la femme nikita - i guess it has style but can't believe everyone was complaining about jaws not being an action movie or the thing not being an action movie but not saying anything about LFN - there's almost no action in the entire movie.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just not entirely sure that the movie (or Palahniuk) believes that.
I think the movie does (never read the book), or at least everyone I've ever discussed it with has interpreted it this way. The protagonist being mesmerized by Tyler Durden's ideology, then slowly becoming disillusioned with it is like the main story arc of the movie. Still don't think it's a great movie (the two personalities reveal was too literal, and the final scene makes no sense), but you'd have to be a bit stupid not to see that it's critical of Durden.
― Tuomas, Monday, 20 February 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Did you guys know that Cronenberg apparently said that an Eastern Promises sequel could be a possibility? Kind of want an entire movie of Viggo as undercover Russian crime guy who beats people up. Like a combination of Eastern Promises and A History of Violence
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link