ha yes a girl behind me said, "I think she's bad" when the housekeeper had uprooted the boards.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
The voice casting for Arietty (English dub) was so weird, though – Will Arnett as the strong but gentle, levelheaded, pragmatic Borrower dad. He sounded pretty sedate most of the time but every once in a while it was jarringly Gob Bluthy.
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
I got the UK edition, which has Mark Strong as Arrietty's dad with a gruff but caring approach. It seems odd that the UK dub (in this instance) might have more starpower than the US one; Saoirse Ronan plays Arrietty, vs Bridgit Mendler - is she a star over there? I've genuinely never heard of her.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Saturday, 25 February 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago) link
Howls is on UK TV now. Definitely my favourite Ghibli now, and for ages Spirited Away was my alltime favourite film.
― Alexandre Dumbass (dog latin), Saturday, 25 February 2012 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
Caught the 2nd half; I've got the dvd, but there is something about a favourite film being on telly that makes me want to watch it even more. It is just superb, enormous rewatching value and there's something new every time I see it. Showing it on Saturday afternoon tv is excellent scheduling, I bet loads of children saw it for the first time - I envy those kids :)
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Saturday, 25 February 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
Arietty was good except for the stupid stupid voice of the stupid boy with his breathless DYING RASP, and the terrible terrible coda at the end because I AM STRONG SINCE YOU ARE IN MY HEART. What the hell? Arietty could probably just climb inside his actual malfunctioning heart with a long-ass snorkle and keep it beating by kicking at the inside of left ventricle. I think I will love a dubbed vers, but everything done to translate/Disnify the film made it ∞ times worse.
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Saturday, 25 February 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
What, you think the boy should have died at the end?
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Saturday, 25 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
xpost You think? In my experience, Disney has done a great job (often with Lasseter) doing Ghibli dubbing and voice casting. I'm sure the boy was no better in the inevitably breathless Japanese language version.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Also, want to say from memory that Miyazaki (et all) have trouble with endings, a la Hitchcock and Spielberg.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Only ones that have stuck out as being bad choices to me were Arnett in Arietty and Billy Crystal in Howl's ––– both of whom were really subdued but I just had too strong of previous associations w/them. I can grouch with the best of them about celebrity voicecasting but Josh in Chicago is basically OTM.
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
Also I loved that dying boy so much, more kids movies should have a character who is just a walking, talking memento mori.
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
I also liked that he was kind of an ass and put his foot in his mouth constantly.
Ehh, I didn't mean to imply that the kid should have died, just that the line 'strong because you are in my heart' was morbidly sentimental and undermined any potential poignancy of the parting.
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Saturday, 25 February 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
i will never forgive disney's dub team for making the cat in kiki talk at the end. kills the entire metaphor.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Billy Bob Thornton's voice casting in Princess Mononoke was particularly jarring for me
― Chris S, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
billy bob in mononoke was inspired!
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
I don't like Miyazaki still.
― "HUH?" (admrl), Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
huh?
― Mordy, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:58 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, maybe, but howl is the only miyazaki flick that i think is seriously undermined by its ending. the rest i'm good with. haven't seen arrietty (wtf is up w that name).
english voice acting has never bothered me, cuz i mostly watch these in japanese. did like bbt in mononoke.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Arietty is the actual name of Mary Norton's main character –– a corruption of Harriet, if I remember rightly.
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol, never read the borrowers. okay then.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
except i think i actually did, but have forgotten most of it
i watched ponyo with a friend the other week and a few minutes in we had a little cynical lol about how obvious the impending environmental theme was, and then... it kind of disappeared? i guess that showed us, but as much as i enjoyed it at the end i kinda felt i didn't know what it was about.
― shart practice (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
it's about ponyo, who is a girl fish with magical adventures, duh
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
i get you though. it's p nonsensical. i like that about it, tbh.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
who are you awful awful people that you watch the dubbed versions
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
just finished watch arrietty - everybody otm, felt like a miyazaki film. things I loved:
-the fluid dynamics. when they pour tea, it comes out a drop at a time. -the tall big person boy is so weak and going to die and can't do any physical exercise but the borrowers are on some ninja warrior shit 24/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oco3lPfokaU
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
I hated "Ponyo."
Also, dubbing is a non-issue when it comes to most cartoons. I mean, they're all dubbed!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
not that it's miyazaki, but i watched pom poko the other night (studio ghibli flick abt raccoon balls). was weird.
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
Nausicää is my favorite, followed by Castle in the Sky, then Kiki's Delivery Service. Still need to see the Lupin movie, Totoro and Princess Mononoke, though.
― tanuki, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
Also: really disliked Ponyo when I saw it in theatres, but that could've been due in part to the English dub.
― tanuki, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago) link
ponyo didn't really grab me
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
it isn't directed by miyazaki, but the secret world of arrietty is fucking a plus. amazing movie. much more conventional narratively than ponyo (whose plot really irritated me despite all the beautiful animation of water and such) but no worse for that. just amazing.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:37 (twelve years ago) link
for the voice of the dad will arnett seemed to be channeling christian bale's batman.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
Ponyo's ending is even worse than Howl's. Miyazaki's never been too good at endings - the few I can think of off the top of my head tend to involve some hurried deus ex machina thing, but it doesn't usually matter because it's the ride that counts.
― Alexandre Dumbass (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:26 (twelve years ago) link
Just realised Josh In Chicago said the same thing.
― Alexandre Dumbass (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, March 7, 2012 12:40 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
I watched the japanese audio version and the dad was voiced by a gruff dude
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
so so so glad that I didn't have to think about gob at all during my viewing
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:04 (twelve years ago) link
pom poko is great
― Pup Shalom Dog Costume (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
greatness tempered constant raccoon balls
― Moodles, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
*tempered by
i would say "muddled with" rather than "tempered by"
― Pup Shalom Dog Costume (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
*tempted by
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
infused
thought pom poko was really up and down. story, impact, themes & more naturalistic animation = GREAT. otoh, at least half the comedy & anthro tanuki action was really lame & grating.
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
― tanuki, Wednesday, March 7, 2012 3:24 AM (16 hours ago)
^^^ correct first and second choice :DI'd throw Porco Rosso in at #3
― monkeys on the ceiling fan, ceiling fan (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
Nausicaä is pretty good, but sadly I read the comic first, and even though the movie is a fine adaptation, it just doesn't manage to convey the richness of the comic's themes. (Partially because the comic wasn't finished when the movie came out.)
Here's how I'd rate Miyazaki's films, to to bottom:
TotoroCastle in the SkyPorco RossoNausicaäPonyoLupin IIIMononokeMoving Castle
I still haven't seen Kiki, need to correct that soon.
― Tuomas, Friday, 9 March 2012 10:01 (twelve years ago) link
Oh sorry, add Spirited Away there, between Nausicaä and Ponyo.
Miyazaki's never been too good at endings
This is nuts! Kiki - awesome ending! Mononoke - awesome ending! Totoro - awesome ending! Laputa - awesome ending!
― Stevie T, Friday, 9 March 2012 10:08 (twelve years ago) link
Totoro | Spirited Away | Kiki's Delivery ServiceMononoke | Castle in the Sky | Ponyo | Howl's Moving CastlePorco Rosso | Nausicaa | The Castle of Cagliostro | Cat Returns
― a serious minestrone rockist (remy bean), Friday, 9 March 2012 11:14 (twelve years ago) link