Why is there a US-version of "The Office"?

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If you're coming into the American version expecting the relentless sadfacery of the original, you're just going to be way disappointed. This version is grim, but it's more of a low key grimness spiked with a silliness that the UK version could never muster.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't fucking care about "relentless sadfacery" - I just hated (despised) the dumb sound of the Tim and Dawn actors/characters (and I do mean "dumb", as in "stupid"). Totally uncute, brainless and superficial feeling human beings. Turned me off from the very first scene, and their interaction felt neither charming nor true.

For me the finest thing about the original was the truth to how it was performed, the way I could totally buy into the interrelationships in spite of it being a comedy - in other words, the drama aspect of it. And it's like the US pilot didn't understand that aspect at all, casting for looks and "antics" instead of chemistry.

Matthew - Can I just start watching the second season? Or do I have to dredge through the whole first 12 episodes or whatever. Name the best EP for me to see and maybe I will download it. If it sucks i will MAKE IT KNOWN, however.

Mr Jones - s1ocki and I are Canadian. What does that say about us?

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Sean - it says you like your bacon round. Anyways isn't Canada still part of the English Empire? So in a sense you are British.

I mostly can't understand what is actually being said. I mean after a while I get the hang of it but there are moements of " Ah wellalovalivckle wanka an shezallompie." Slurred acented britshspeak. But I like British comedy allot. Especially Fawlty Towers - I love seeing Cleese go berserk with rage

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i hated hated it at first because all i did was compare it to the british version...now i love it.

the episode where michael burnt his foot on his foreman grill was hysterical, especially when he tried to stick his foot into Dwights cat scan.

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked when they were picking new health insurance and the annoying guy was like "Alright people are just making things up to be funny..anal fissures? There's no such thing!" - and then an embarrased man admits that there is such a thing and "some one has them" and then great awkwardness ensues.

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

the first few eps were a bit ropey - now I think its pretty hilar! i think the supporting characters are pretty wonderful.

POOP BITCH (Mandee), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm embarrssed to admit we had to watch the office dvds with subtitles turned on.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

all of the supporting characters are wonderful!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

matthew i really don't understand how you see the "sadfacery" of the original as some sort of point AGAINST it!! that's like wanting a seinfeld with less shallow characters! or complaining that the three stooges are too clumsy!

buster keaton never loosened up and cracked a smile!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the old guy. TODD PACKER SHIT ON THE FLOOR.

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

all of the supporting characters are wonderful!
-- cutty (holle...) (webmail), Today 9:40 AM. (mcutt) (later)

my new favorite is creed. Also, oscar with his iceskating boyfriend and meredith who seems almost proud to be an alcoholic.


Also that scene where dwight crashed his car, got out and suddenly vomited was beautiful.

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, dwight vomiting was a revelation. then when jim was using the spray bottle on michael and dwight in meredith's minivan!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, very nice.


are australians getting this show yet? i heard earl started down there.

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

America: feel free to take Ricky Gervais over the fulltime so we don't get subjected to any more of his stand-up "comedy". kthxbi

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Tonight's episode (like all the holiday-centered ones) was great. Michael's awful video topped off with the GREAT SCOTT! production logo at the end, Dwight's speech about how 'a woman is like a wolf that needs good lovin'...wow!

Joe (Joe), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I love this show. SBARRO.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The US version is fucking hilarious. Totally it's own creation. Fuck those who won't watch it out of reverence for the UK original.

Yeah, we here in Oz are getting Earl - I saw a few episodes while I was in the US, that shit is one of the funniest things I've seen on TV in years.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 10 February 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

AH YES, CREED. HE'S GREAT.

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 10 February 2006 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked when they were picking new health insurance and the annoying guy was like "Alright people are just making things up to be funny..anal fissures? There's no such thing!" - and then an embarrased man admits that there is such a thing and "some one has them" and then great awkwardness ensues.

yeah that was a great scene - I like this show a lot, started out weak but I think as its demise grows immanent it'll get better & better

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

last night was amazing! i knew jan would kiss michael again, anytime he acts like a normal person (when he closed the deal with tim meadows, when he saved her ass at the conference) she looks at him differently.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 February 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i haven't seen it yet, i fell asleep before. tivo'd it though.

i also found it incredibly funny when Michael had his jeans dry cleaned and danced around the office.

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 10 February 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

meredith who seems almost proud to be an alcoholic.

Hahaha -- "In five years, I'd like to see myself five years sober . . . well, four and a half years."

phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 10 February 2006 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

as its demise grows immanent it'll get better & better

it already got renewed for next season though, so I'm hoping that it will simmer around on nbc for a while.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Sean, you should never watch the first season - it's six episodes, and only one of them is even remotely good. The second season is where it's at. I already listed the episodes to try upthread.

then when jim was using the spray bottle on michael and dwight in meredith's minivan!

"You can't fire me! I don't work in this van!"

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, NBC is way committed to this show. It pulls in pretty respectable ratings and holds a good portion of Earl's lead-in audience. It also sells pretty well on itunes - it's usually all over the best-selling tv list, beating out heavyweights like Lost and Desperate Housewives.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

A MICHAEL SCOTT JOINT

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

with Robin Williams and Steve Martin's heads

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

as someone who hated this show from the start (and in comparison to the bbc version obv.) i have to say that it seems to have gotten waaayyy better this season judging from last nights episode.

|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l| (eman), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never seen a whole episode of the British series so I can't compare, but after watching a few episodes this season, I'd say the American version is one of the more watchable things on current TV, which is entirely thanks to Steve Carrell. Without him, it would just be another lame sitcom.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i would have to disagree, the entire cast is fantastic.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree too. The supporting cast is great.

"they have great restaurants here -- bubba gump shrimp, red lobster..."

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite line was this little throwaway during the "Michael burns his foot" episode. While Michael is thrashing in the bathroom, Ryan, and Toby are standing outside, eating string cheese. Ryan just peels back the wrapper and chomps down.

Toby: "Wow, you just dig right in."

Ryan: "Yeah. Around age 12, I just started goin’ for it."

or something like that.

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ryan (bj novak) writes most of the episodes.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

from last night i also loved dwight's reaction to his present and the comment about his "animal needing a lot of love"

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

the pimp look on his face when she smiles at his gift was genius

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree too. The supporting cast is great.

Nothing against the supporting cast, they do what they do quite well - which is mainly to play the set-up/straight-man/woman to Carrell's oddly endearing asshole.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

it's probably one of the best cast shows ever.

Putting Dwight's desk in the bathroom was classic as a show opener. I wish they would do a Dwight prank for every opener. Another good one was when all his stuff was in the vending machine.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

which is mainly to play the set-up/straight-man/woman to Carrell's oddly endearing asshole.

there is nothing "straight" about dwight. or creed for that matter.

another amazing dwight-ism from the warehouse episode: "this is like on LOST when they met the Others."

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Dwight occasionally plays set-up man, but he also gets laughs on his own - true enough. I just don't think by himself he could carry a whole show, but that's a quibble. He's amusing, but his character seems directly descended from a long line of office comedy oddballs - a slightly more well-adjusted stapler guy from Office Space, let's say. whereas to me, Michael just seems more original as a personality - not a character we've seen done quite in this way before.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the reasons the show is great is precisely because none of them could carry the show on their own. I'm not really sure that the BBC version would have been nearly as interesting without Ricky Gervais because he's such a catalyst. That's not nearly the case with the US version.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i think it was discussed upthread somewhere (or in some other thread) how michael scott =! david brent in so many ways.

also, the US office has already surpassed the UK office in # of episodes, so the characters (even the secondary ones) are beginning to become more fleshed out. the angela character for instance, i hardly thought about her first season, now i think she is hilarious.. "wound up"!

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like that when Michael went to corporate, he wasn't the only clueless idiot in the same position of power.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of them have individual myspaces it seems.

B.J. Novak's Music section has the band Tugboat on it. I thought the band name was a Galaxie 500 reference and sure enough it was (I found out about the band courtesy of an Allmusic.com review by Ned). To top it off B.J. Novak went to Harvard, where Galaxie 500 of course has its roots.

Now I'm really starting to believe in all that bullshit about the internet being used to economize knowledge for the good and bringing in a global village of people with common interests. (Or at least a global village of people who are fascinated by Dean Wareham's boredom).

http://www.myspace.com/bjnovak

Jenna Fischer aka Pam Beesley
http://www.myspace.com/pambeesley

Paul Lieberstein aka Toby
http://profile.myspace.com/i...7-769e-4587-bee2-c6fee91fbfdb

Angela Kinsey aka Angela Martin
http://www.myspace.com/accountinglady

Brian Baumgartner aka Kevin Malone
http://www.myspace.com/kevinmalone

Adam Beck
http://www.myspace.com/adambryantbeck

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link

how did I miss that Creed was a guitarist for the Grass Roots? And that his character is actually himself?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

According to another message board, the guys who play Roy and Darryl also have myspaces now. And so does the woman who plays Meredith. Crazy.

kyle because they cut out that entire segment where Creed rocks out on the booze cruise! You've probably already seen it but if not, go to

http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/

and click on videos, it's the first deleted scene called "There's a rock star..."

reddening (reddening), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't tugboat an ilx band?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

why am I Mr. Sparkle?

autovac (autovac), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'M the bobble head!"

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

for the record, i really enjoyed the first season aside the very first episode

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
webisodes?

http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/video/index.shtml#main

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 13 July 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link


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