― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link
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― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link
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― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link
I suppose I'm interested in what made someone like Dr Harold Shipman kill lots of people apparently just for the sake of it.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
Would he be less evil if it benefitted him?Would he be less evil if it benefitted others?
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
Why do we like what we like or why are we who we are is a question not answered entirely, it's real meaning of life stuff you're getting at in some ways. I think so, anyway.
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
― C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link
Likewise, I'm sure there are many people who've had murderous *impulses*, even randomly, while not acting upon them. What distances Shipman or Fred West from the rest of us is that, seemingly, that "I shouldn't be doing this" aspect has gone, or it just doesn't bother them, or whatever.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:09 (twenty years ago) link
Maybe what is and isn't foreign to certain culture's isn't a reliable enough barometer? Where do the parameters lie in war zones? What about concepts like 'honour killing'?
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:11 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link
Evil to me is shorthand for actions (and to a certain extent, thoughts*) that damage the ability of a society to function at its best. That's a really general description but I don't have the time (this is kind of a lie).
*I think stevem is OTM about the fact that not doing evil is a choice we make. While from an outside perspective there can be no thoughts that are evil, it is true enough that as individuals we can examine our thoughts and find them to be evil, which is the first step in not doing some of the things we probably think about doing.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 01:02 (twenty years ago) link
Would I be evil if I admitted that I find these late night programmes on suburban couples who engage in gang bangs by night weirdly fascinating?
I drink Coca Cola - am I supporting an evil empire?
― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 01:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Ferrrrrrg (Ferg), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Ferrrrrrg (Ferg), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link
Seems to me most evil in fact is tied to selfishness of some kind
― ermes marana, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link
― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 01:33 (twenty years ago) link
― ermes marana, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 02:45 (twenty years ago) link
― kephm, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link
Not always of course, but it does bring to mind what Robert McNamara said regarding a nighttime firebombing of Japan by the U.S. that killed 100,000 people, admitting that if the U.S. lost he could have been prosecuted for war crimes.
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 03:12 (twenty years ago) link
So is most good.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― ermes marana, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 10:03 (twenty years ago) link
Yes.
― Wintermuté (Wintermute), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Ithobel (starry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:06 (twenty years ago) link
What I wonder is whether the pro-"EVIL" people think that if one doesn't have much interest in the word, one must be in denial. I mean I really really don't think this way about people ("Wait till your daughter gets murdered" yadda yadda). I just think the world and people in it get very fucked up at times. Even if it could be shown that Saddam Hussein and Ian Huntley were sitting there thinking 'mwah ha ha I'm so evil and I will take advantage of these woolly liberals', I really think I'd find it hard to see myself in some kind of cosmic battle of light against dark with them.
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link
"Huntley was a pied paper figure, who lured children into his cave".
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
I don't think it's Huntley's fault he was messed up or insane or something. I was surprised by how much the police condemned him aswell on the documentary, it felt unprofessional to me.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 11 February 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Evil is the absence of good. Evil is a violation.
But I do like what Ghandi said about confronting what was evil in ourselves before we fought evil outside of ourselves.
Then again, I don't think this goes against the Christian myth. In fact I think it is consistent. Ghandi did say in his autobiography that he thought Christianity was perhaps the one perfectly true religion. Unfortunately he experienced racist Christians, and was disenfranchised as a result...
― Freud Junior (Freud Junior), Saturday, 11 February 2006 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Couldnt we also say natural evil exists and that many good things flow from confronting it, ie it allows people to be at their very best (or worst), what about the role of evil in character formation, could we not argue that far from being a non issue evil allows ouselves to be fully human?
― Kiwi, Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link
That's evil,Evil is goin' on wrong.I am warnin' ya brother,You better watch your happy home.
Well, long way from home and,Can't sleep at all.You know another mule,Is kickin' in your stall.
(Spoken: You better catch him, 'cause somethin' wrong, in your home.)
Well, if ya call her on the telephone,And she answers aweful slow,Grab the first train smokin',If you have to hobo.
If you make it to your house,Knock on the front door,Run around to the back,You'll catch him just before he go.
That's evil,Evil is goin' on.I am warnin' ya brother,You better watch your happy home.
--"Evil" by Howlin' Wolf
― Mama Roux, Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link
i guess emotionally it seems religious though. the idea of evil seems more fitting and less horrendous given the idea of an overwhelming good.
― Maria (Maria), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link
This doesn't mean I think murderers, rapists, dictators etc. are anything other than absolute bastards, just that it's not at all useful to explain away that kind of behaviour by saying 'They did because they are EVIL!'
― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link
waaaah evil
^^^the last 3 days on this fkn website
― imago, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
Evil is defined by bad deeds done for no reasonLike putting powder in the restaurant seasoning
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
The most hard for the least good
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/31/its-now-or-never-texts-reveal-teens-efforts-to-pressure-boyfriend-into-suicide/?tid=pm_pop_b
― j., Tuesday, 1 September 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
I saw that on Gawker, really having trouble understanding why she would do that. Evil sounds right.
― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
I was wondering if she couldn't have genuinely believed he was better off dead. grim thought but maybe the kindest interpretation idk.
― deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link
jfc that is disturbing readmaybe sthing of munchausen-by-proxy to itbut i'm fine with calling it evil
― drash, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 04:48 (nine years ago) link
“Not yet LOL,” he replied.
yep, that's definitely evil.
also evil: when people on the internet start calling her family with death threats, which has probably already happened, because lol, the internet.
― rushomancy, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 11:38 (nine years ago) link