This is the thread where we talk about Roseanne.

yup, for a while at least. i don't know when it fell off (haven't read the thread) but i kind of want to revisit those episodes at the end when the writers started jumping great piles of sharks, esp the lottery stuff, to see if just maybe it was some misread meta genius shit. doubtful tho. or just to see the spectacular flameout...

it was just bonkers at the end. i remember drew carey doing similar stunt bullshit at the end of their run too

i bet you can trace the jump the shark moment to when they had john popper sing lyrics on the theme song.

i have been watching season 2 this week too! love the ep where becky gets wasted

i kind of want to revisit those episodes at the end when the writers started jumping great piles of sharks, esp the lottery stuff, to see if just maybe it was some misread meta genius shit.

i took a course in tv while at university, and our lecturer believed this was very much the case

i have come to love the character of dj. all the other characters are semiserious with real-world problems and emotions, but dj is perpetually a dumb, annoying kid

the storyline about roseanne having to work all these shitty jobs is pretty real. like she gets fired from clucky's chicken or smthg and then gets a job in a beauty salon sweeping hair. but she likes the people there and when she gets promoted to shampoo girl she mentions it in a slightly embarassed way at dinner. dan responds in a way i can identify with, which is to try to build rosie up but by denigrating the job: "hey, it's work...you shouldn't be embarrassed" etc implying she's better than this temporary station but in the process suggesting the job itself is degrading. and rosie responds with "yeah, yknow it is degrading work, but nobody there makes me feel that it is -- THATS YOUR JOB, RIGHT DAN?" but it's such a subtle little dance of intentions and implications. you can totally sympathize with both sides. i'm not really doing it justice here, of course.

― Never sauces! (rent), Friday, 9 January 2009 15:06 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i think of roseanne at that beauty salon whenever i get my haircut. i love those episodes so much.

I was always a fan and the one joke that has always stuck with me is a silly one, but it's Jackie getting into a relationship with one of the boyfriends (the one that would beat her maybe?) and saying "you haven't even met my mother" and he says "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it" and she says "you're going to want to burn that bridge when we get to it" or something. I say that all the time now.

Can someone point me in the direction of the "Married... With Children" thread?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/Search/search.jsp

(Was joke.)

yeah that ep is great, i like how when her friend's parents start to impugn roseanne and dan's parenting skills they go along with it for like 4 seconds and then kick them out of the house. also becky sucks at pretending to be drunk which is pretty lolsome in its own right.

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parents = her mom i mean

i have come to love the character of dj. all the other characters are semiserious with real-world problems and emotions, but dj is perpetually a dumb, annoying kid

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, January 9, 2009 11:53 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

episode where dj gets caught jerkin it A+ would lol again

Looking at this thread reminded me how legendary the first few Thanksgiving episodes were.

I love LOVE every season of this show between the first and last. The first was basically just a stiff rehash of her standup routines, and the last was just batshit crazy and not really likeable at all. But between them was one of the best-written and delivered sitcoms I've ever watched, and I love that it's syndicated in about 100 different places so I can continually watch eps at almost any hour of the day or night.

I was gonna come on here and gripe about Laurie Metcalf never winning an Emmy, but she swept her category three years straight from 92-94.

Then I remember it was Phylicia Rashad on The Cosby Show who never won the Emmy (which is near criminal, because Claire Huxtable was sublime!)

i fucking love this show so much. i've been losing many an hour of sleep staying up to watch the mini-marathons on tvland.

you've apparently been losing many hours of sleep in general

although perhaps not as many as me

from her blog:

Barr was born to a brilliant jewish socialist-humorist, and football player, (Jerome Harold Barr), who along with her mother H.R. Davis Barr, (the classic post holocaust middle class first generation jewish woman), taught her all that she needed to know to become a compulsive nail biter, overeating obsessive with social anxiety disorder, and a nasty messianic complex that has defied medication, psychiatry, stardom and sanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1MhDqlKxhE

i fucking love this show so much. i've been losing many an hour of sleep staying up to watch the mini-marathons on tvland.

― hat for slashes (get bent), Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Ha - me too! I've been watching the shit out of this show lately and it's really great. I love Dan Goodman and well everyone else too really. Although watching the ones with Mark make me sad because he was one of my first actor crushes and he died so young. :-( But yeah, I'm with you on Roseanne - it's great.

I remember in the 90s when everyone was like "Roseanne is such an annoying human" and I'm glad she's being appreciated as awesome these days

Wonder if well be saying this about Kathy Griffin in 10 yrs

I still think Roseanne is pretty annoying outside of the show tbh.

I love Dan Goodman

lol oops. Obviously meant John Goodman.

I remember in the 90s when everyone was like "Roseanne is such an annoying human" and I'm glad she's being appreciated as awesome these days

i think a lot of people liked the show but got very offended by the crotch-grabbing incident. me, i thought that was funny. i abhor the sort of hateful rabid nationalism that comes out in some people when they find out you don't love your country as much as they do.

i have come to love the character of dj. all the other characters are semiserious with real-world problems and emotions, but dj is perpetually a dumb, annoying kid

dj's consistency comforts my soul in a turbulent world.

one of the 1st comments on this thread was something about how roseanne isn't a good actress/comedian and how it's like dan's show. i couldn't disagree more! they're on equal ground. both so great.

― Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:11 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

dan responds in a way i can identify with, which is to try to build rosie up but by denigrating the job: "hey, it's work...you shouldn't be embarrassed" etc implying she's better than this temporary station but in the process suggesting the job itself is degrading. and rosie responds with "yeah, yknow it is degrading work, but nobody there makes me feel that it is -- THATS YOUR JOB, RIGHT DAN?" but it's such a subtle little dance of intentions and implications. you can totally sympathize with both sides. i'm not really doing it justice here, of course.

― Never sauces! (rent), Friday, 9 January 2009 15:06 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i'm trying to think of a tv couple that works better than dan and roseanne and i can't.

it's like there's an unspoken, assumed level of equality b/w the two of them. not to mention the chemistry. there's a scene where they're out to dinner (was it an anniversary?) and they are basically bullshitting for the whole thing! it didn't feel improvised, but it did have a fluidity and effortless quality to it.

it was like this:

so many of the laffs are from just some moment of quirky, honest timing, instead of some set-em-up knock-em-down joeks that any actor could recite to adequate effect, & the whole thing feels loose and true in a way that no other network sitcom i can think of does.

― Never sauces! (rent), Friday, January 9, 2009 8:45 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

like there's a part in that scene in the restaurant where rose wants to more coffee and rather than wait for server, she just gets up from her seat and gets the coffee pot to serve herself and another guest along the way. it was...unrefined, maybe, but also rly decent.

i'm trying to think of a tv couple that works better than dan and roseanne and i can't.

the honeymooners!

http://nymag.com/arts/tv/upfronts/2011/roseanne-barr-2011-5/

this is great

Yeah it is. It's been making the rounds on facebook today and it's awesome.

I still think Roseanne is pretty annoying outside of the show tbh.

― Pancakes are one of my favorite ways to party. (ENBB), Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:27 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think I've changed my tune on that at least a little. Man, <3 her show forever.

huh, was thinking/wondering about roseanne just a couple days ago. she's kind of a hero to me, tbh.

She's looking amazing in that photo as well. Age suits her powerfully well.

i remember being totally awed by her as a kid. just had no way of understanding not giving a fuck like that. hero.

Yeah the not giving a fuck is amazing and what makes her so awesome. Trayce otm about the picture. She looks fantastic.

ikr, like that pic is how I want to age, it makes me feel like maybe in 5 or 10 years I could stand to grow out/stop dying my hair and just be me.

Her blog is a hoot:

start growing veggies and get off meat--food shortages coming--the next bubble is commodities! gardening is our savior!!!

Her autobiography is monumentally excellent too - lots of amazing stories about growing up in Utah and being othered by Mormons.

oooh!

i love her, and i love how her speaking voice and facial expressions come through so clearly in her writing.

Please tell me that I'm not the only one who has seen "She-Devil" several times.

One of my friends had parents who were the spit of Roseanne and Dan; also they were working class from the Iron Range so going over there was like a set visit.

When I saw this piece linked by Jez yesterday I knew the comments would be #sturmundrang and LOLed at the commenters who were willing to write her off because she threatened a woman exec who offered her fake sisterhood to gain trust and compliance. You know: 'ooh, she called her a bitch!' My working-class sister would call such a woman 'scum-sucking sewer slut' and yo, she'd be right.

she would be be absolutely correct.

I really hate it when privileged women stand on ceremony: 'ooh, she said a bad word' to which I answer 'well, you didn't pay attention when she wasn't busting out the swears'. We do need to be reminded that feminists are fighting two battles: with the men, and with the women who enable the men.

sometimes the collaborators are worse, and you can't even see what their prize is.

The end of my addiction to fame happened at the exact moment Roseanne dropped out of the top ten, in the seventh of our nine seasons. It was mysteriously instantaneous! I clearly remember that blackest of days, when I had my office call the Palm restaurant for reservations on a Saturday night, at the last second as per usual. My assistant, Hilary, who is still working for me, said—while clutching the phone to her chest with a look of horror, a look I can recall now as though it were only yesterday: “The Palm said they are full!” Knowing what that really meant sent me over the edge. It was a gut shot with a sawed-off scattershot, buckshot-loaded pellet gun. I made Hil call the Palm back, disguise her voice, and say she was calling from the offices of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Instantly, Hil was given the big 10-4 by the Palm management team. I became enraged, and though she was uncomfortable doing it (Hil is a professional woman), I forced her to call back at 7:55 and cancel the 8:00 reservation, saying that Roseanne—who had joined Tom and Nicole’s party of seven—had persuaded them to join her at Denny’s on Sunset Boulevard.

wkiw Roseanne at Denny's