2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

xposts to the obama camp making the inevitability argument now. i agree i was a bit thrown off when i read that, thinking, is this really what they want to be saying right now?

i'm not sure it's the best thing to be saying at this moment, but who knows? obama has a big winning streak going on that definitely demands a lot more attention than some on the more cautious side of things might want to give. the obama camp clearly wants to step up the pressure that he's a winning candidate.

otoh, i'm still anxious about a hillary comeback. right now things slightly resemble the situation after iowa - a lot of the press saying "hillary's done, let's get this shit over with, etc." but then she came back.

i think the ohio/texas gamble is seriously risky, but i wouldn't be surprised if she pulls off a narrow win in both states. she'll obviously then make a big, blown-up case about it that might be a little difficult to contend with. it'll at least prolong the fight for a while.

i really don't understand how the clinton camp expects to secure voter support in a general election across all the states obama has won if they continue to belittle the contests they lose and and explain them away with exit poll data.

seriously.

But I worry that it'll also allow the journalistic hacks who follow HRC the right amount of time for their Hills-is-back stories to influence outcomes.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/hillary-clearing-brush.jpg

he attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives "have families because we don't abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism."

lol XD

oooh nice:

Puerto Rico Governor to Endorse Obama

(i doubt puerto rico will come into play, but this can't hurt in trying to appeal to some latino voters)

otoh, i'm still anxious about a hillary comeback. right now things slightly resemble the situation after iowa - a lot of the press saying "hillary's done, let's get this shit over with, etc." but then she came back.

a couple differences between then and now: obama has built up a much more impressive resume than winning just the one barely populated state and polling well in the other barely populated state - and clinton needs to do more than eek out a win in the second barely populated state, she needs to win big in two big states. then it was all abt the mo - now its abt the mo and the math.

although that comeback in nh has prevented the press from calling this thing. if they hadnt been burned the first time everyone would be writing her obituary right now.

Isn't she 17 points ahead in Ohio or something?

yah shes been way up everywhere 3 week out - then obama comes to town.

http://i32.tinypic.com/efwq9.jpg

then it was all abt the mo - now its abt the mo and the math.

yea this is true.

the mo and the math.

Sounds like the new Clipse album.

I'm not gonna tell Penn Jillette's joke.

Isn't she 17 points ahead in Ohio or something?

take a look at this: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/About_that_Ohio_poll.html

not that it means clinton doesn't have an edge (right now i'm sure she's still ahead), but it might suggest that the edge isn't quite as large as 17 points.

apparently some of the data in the ohio poll relies on figures that haven't really matched up to what's been happening so far in other states (esp. re: independent turnout, black support for obama, etc.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGbj_ERlJ0

official clinton ad up in wisconsin, pushing the "if-he's-so-great-why-won't-he-debate-hillary" argument

lol

the ad shows the things to come. i think we'll see the clinton camp getting a lot more negative over the next few weeks

Uh, from "Republicans for Obama":

OBAMA SAID OBAMICANS!!
Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:56pm — SandiLincoln

Tonight, Feb 12, during his speech in Madison, Wisconsin, Obama used the word Obamicans! YOU GUYS, we are an actual demographic and we need to be so proud of ourselves and our candidate, Senator Barack Obama, because we epidomize change. Changing party's, changing our mind set, and changing our world. YOU GUYS ROCK!

OBAMA 08~We are the ones we were waiting for!

epidomize.

sounds like a bizarre sexual practice

gawd, I thought I saw Meredith Hunter in that drudge photo for a second.

OBAMICANS EPIDOMIZE!

bill clinton, the big pimp lobster of hope

loooooool

OBAMICANS EPIDOMIZE!

-- jhøshea, Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:25 PM

sounds like something you'd command a giant robot to do

if-he's-so-great-why-has-he-only-debated-hillary-like-18-times?

Sorry I Epidomized Your Son

yah thats pretty much waht i was thinking hoos

Honey, I Epidomized the Kids

gawd, I thought I saw Meredith Hunter in that drudge photo for a second.

Why are we fighting?! Why are we fighting?! Come on!

http://bp3.blogger.com/_6UzdmF8O-Oo/R7CORHtxSZI/AAAAAAAAGZU/v0IAHZIybFI/s1600-h/IMG_8773.jpg

same girl, same jacket, in a less sucessful combo imho

http://bp3.blogger.com/_6UzdmF8O-Oo/R7CORHtxSZI/AAAAAAAAGZU/v0IAHZIybFI/s1600-h/IMG_8773.jpg

worng thread homie

haha oops

favorite drudge headline of the morning:

MSNBC's Matthews: Obama Speech Caused 'Thrill Going Up My Leg'... 

Obama's new campaign song: "Panama"

team clinton adjusts its threatened 'no-debates' stance re: NBC, agrees (again) to the ohio debate:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/breaking_hillary_campaign_agre.php

seriously?! xpost

No, goodness. Just a little joke about Chris Matthew watching Obama speak... ease the seat back... AIN'T NO STOPPIN' NOOOOOOWWWWW

God, I so wish!

MoDowd:

It’s not yet clear which prejudice will infect the presidential contest more — misogyny or racism.

(...)

As a possible first Madame President, Hillary is a flawed science experiment because you can’t take Bill out of the equation. Her story is wrapped up in her marriage, and her marriage is wrapped up in a series of unappetizing compromises, arrangements and dependencies.

Instead of carving out a separate identity for herself, she has become more entwined with Bill. She is running bolstered by his record and his muscle. She touts her experience as first lady, even though her judgment during those years on issue after issue was poor. She says she’s learned from her mistakes, but that’s not a compelling pitch.

(...)

If Hillary fails, it will be her failure, not ours.

CMON, PENN JILLETTE JOKE

Meanwhile, Erica Jong sees a vast patriarchal conspiracy:

Unfortunately the Hillary-Haters are in charge. They monopolize the networks, the newspapers, the talk shows -- both radio and TV. They are crossing their legs for fear of castration. They are wearing the body armor our troops never got. Or got too late to matter. They are determined that a woman will not prove herself competent as Commander in Chief.

What's their ammunition? Oh, it's simple. They call her Mrs. Clinton, not Ms. or Senator. They pull out those nutcrackers in the shape of her supposed thighs. They complain about her ankles -- too thick. They complain on Fox TV that "White women are the problem" -- (idiot boy Kristol, the brain-damaged scion of Irving who rose through nepotism like our unelected "president"). Then they say she has "baggage" -- which could mean wrinkles, or her husband, or her daughter Chelsea whom they say she is "pimping." Then they say she never divorced Bill -- as if it's anyone's business. Then they moon over Obama's rhetorical style. Then they make it appear that she's a drone or a worker bee and has no royal jelly. Or else she has royal jelly and is queen bee. And that's her problem.

all the Times columnists have been pretty shitty lately imo ... Rich, Dowd, Krug

entire letters column today was given over to the reaction to Krugman's "Hate Springs Eternal" (obama is a cult leader, they're destroying the dem party w/ their anti-Hils venom, omg his health plan blah blah). dude is kind of being a huge baby. they only printed one letter that agreed with him.

xp, OK, I was curious, Morbs:

http://crackle.com/c/Penn_Says/Penn_Says_Hillary_Clinton_Joke_Predicts_the_Future/2180807#ml=fc%3d52%26fp%3d1%26fx%3d

for those who dont want to sick though penn blathering:

hillary is complaining that unfair all these primaries being held during black history month when theres no white bitch history month.

i should get a pulitzer for that post

no, ppl should just post the fun parts of Dowd columns

"fun"