Spielberg & Kushner's Munich '72 / Israeli vengeance film

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For starters, The New Republic, Matt Drudge and similar lamebrains, and assorted Zionist hoodlums (apologies to Vanessa Redgrave).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Developing...

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, I thought you meant crit-wise, like Ebert had come out swinging. "WORSE THAN THE BROWN BUNNY AND NO BOOBS" or something.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm too busy today but some actual thoughts on this movie tomorrow

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"For starters, The New Republic, Matt Drudge and similar lamebrains, and assorted Zionist hoodlums (apologies to Vanessa Redgrave)."

This is not shocking (nothing indicated that this movie was going to be a sop to the Israeli ultra-right.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Edelstein, "best movie of the year."

http://www.slate.com/id/2133050/?nav=fo

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

J. Hoberman in this week's Voice: "Spielberg's greatness as a filmmaker can be grotesquely overstated (see his reviews in the New York Press)."

Armond White in this week's New York Press: "But that doesn’t mean Munich peddles lofty bromides. The sun doesn’t rise over a happily united Holy Land. Actually, Munich may be the most down-and-dirty espionage movie ever made—more moving and exacting than any film produced during the Cold War. Call Spielberg “The artist who came in from the cold,” bringing humane standards to a medium that regularly earns profit by the cool exploitation of man’s inhumanity to man. Scenes of killing, and the moments of cunning that lead up to death, are done here with absolute, graphic realism. (Nothing is cheaply ironic like blood splashing on a portrait of Jesus in Capote’s massacre scene.) Spielberg’s almost casual, reportorial observation of murder is intimate, shocking and reverberates long after the movie is over. Watching the savagery in the Israeli athlete’s dormitory feels so much like an existential trap that it has dull, dreadful terror. That refusal to “wow” proves Spielberg’s respect for history; it is shown through his exquisitely subtle technique that calls on our imagination and thus moves one to utter sorrow."

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

War of the Worlds was dreadful.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Worlds a lot and even forgot Tom Cruise was in it.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you forget that Morgan Freeman was in it?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Armond White's review of Munich is one of the most idiotic I have ever read.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

munich is great

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 December 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

it is pretty great. harrowing even. the final act, with many of the characters seemingly stuck in a permanent spiritual exile, is devastating.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 24 December 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

every armond white review i've ever read ranks as one of the most idiotic ever

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 24 December 2005 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard an interview on NPR (US public radio) this week with the Israeli journalist who is the author of the book that "Munich" is LOOSELY based on. He said that all of the moral hand-wringing in the movie, probably one of the things some people like most, is completely Spielberg (and the screenwriters). In real life, none of the Israeli agents had any cmpunctions about what they were doing, or felt like anything other than heroes.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 December 2005 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i am interested in this, b/c it seems almost a fight b/w americas two great moralists (kushner and speilberg), and i think kushner might have interesting things to say.

― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 24 December 2005 08:03 (eighteen years ago) link

bold claim anthony!

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 24 December 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

not really, it was kind of banal,

― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 24 December 2005 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Unless this is a much better thriller than I am anticipating it will be from the reviews, I have a feeling I am going to not like this film very much, but low expectations are always good for Spielberg films.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 24 December 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not much of a thriller at all. it's kind of coldy fascinating though.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 24 December 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i never doubted that the hand-wringing came mostly from the filmmakers. nor do i really mind, it's drama (in a very old-fashioned way a lot of the time), not a documentary

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 December 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

this was pretty good i thought. it didn't know how to end, however.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

also not much of a ho ho ho holiday cheer.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

but it was either that or the producers and i'd rather eat glass, etc etc.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

producers was awesome! cant wait to see munich!

― howell huser (chaki), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

The movie was predictably meh, but there is a flashback sequence in this movie that is so laughably bad that I dare anyone (and that means you Armand White) to defend it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

strongo pretty otm about the ending... it shoulda just stopped earlier

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah there were about five points where i was like..."now!"

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

except ironically if it had ended at any of those five points it woulda felt like a flat ending too.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

That sex/violence intercutting at the end is even worse than everybody's been saying. And you don't even get to see Eric Bana's ass.

There were a few good moments here and there--the confrontation in the safe house in Athens was pretty hot. Well, till they got to the bit with the radio. Spielberg always fucks it up, doesn't he? I liked all the actors, though.

I saw Pat O'Brien waiting for popcorn at the theatre.

― Gogi Ormsby-Gore (Arthur), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

also: eric bana looks like a very elongated corey feldman

also two: whoever played his wife, fucking hot

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i would have kinda liked to see oliver stone direct this

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

hands up who expected to ever see pregnant fucking in a spielberg movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

man the photography is this really knocked me out... i'd always been pretty ambivalent as far as kaminski's stuff went... but wow.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

thankfully he didn't rock any of that blown-out blue-steel bs.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

was traffic's real legacy making everyone sick of all that blue?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i gotta admit there were a couple shots in there that kinda made me go "wow" under my breath

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i like spielberg, but then i am a big cornball.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i am glad he exists, because i am glad movies like this can be made on that kinda budget, and can get to the 14 multi-plex, and that people will actually go see them.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

god, the previews beforehand really hammered home the fact that, yes, i am about to watch a movie about israel/palestine in a mall with a tgifriday's attached to it.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

american dreamz...wtf?!

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

totally! and well... dude has skills! on display!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i also never really expected spielberg of all people to make a movie where the final note is more or less "israel... not so much."

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

it's kinda the anti-saving private ryan in that way

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

between this, the chinese food, and the crushing guilt from my mother, i had a very jewish christmas this year.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a good quote for the print ad!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

this christmas, get carbombed with spielberg.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

jess where did you see it?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i was in d.c. over the weekend; it's playing at the regal in chinatown. i dunno when it's hitting bmore.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

very, very great.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 January 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

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