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shur fine (am0n), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

"If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

shur fine (am0n), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

that is the least true truism on Earth

IME, ppl who don't stand for anything are ruthlessly engaged in the pursuit of self-preservation and self-advancement and will go out of their way to use others to further their careers and then abandon them once they've outlived their usefulness; they are among the LEAST gullible ppl and spend all of their time maneuvering the more gullible into doing shit for them

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

those ppl you're describing do stand for something, it's just single-minded psychopathic self-gratification

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

libertarians ime

mh, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

MBAs, more like

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i honestly wish i could go back to the day i fell down this rabbit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQHkYbC0ylo

gucci gyoza (tpp), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

it never gets less strange to keep seeing ppl i know show up on an ilx thread.
also, any one know anything about gamechangers500 ? cos apparently mindvalley is listed on it and it feels very strange to see it listed in the same breath as ummm facebook whole foods zappos and other companies that seem far more famous to me.

KLurker, Friday, 20 April 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

meditation room!

♆ (gr8080), Friday, 20 April 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

kewl beanbags

╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮ (am0n), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

kewl upspeak rising vocal inflections

╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮ (am0n), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

almost put this on ILP, but I'm endlessly fascinated with a subculture of wedding photographers that (in my mind) bleeds deeply into the self-help culture - workshops about personal branding and marketing, 'beautiful people'-speak, etc.

ex. - watch the video here:
http://www.jasmine-star.com/#/documentary/

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 April 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

WE'RE GETTING MARRIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

♆ (gr8080), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

is this a missing link between awesomefest + TED?

http://lesswrong.com/lw/b98/minicamps_on_rationality_and_awesomeness_may_1113/

Mordy, Saturday, 28 April 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link

http://measureofdoubt.com/

really trying for that megacycles vibe here

goole, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

POSSIBLY THE WORLD’S #1 BROTHER-SISTER BLOG ABOUT RATIONALITY, SCIENCE, AND PHILOSOPHY.

♆ (gr8080), Saturday, 28 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

Massimo and I discuss the “simulation argument” — the case that it’s roughly 20% likely that we live in a computer simulation

i can't put myself thru another tawdry video today but 20%? where the fuck have they pulled a figure from??

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 April 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

i have read the simulation argument in its original form and they are pulling that number out of their asses.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 28 April 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i've read simulation arguments and i suspect that's where the figure came from

lol science

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 April 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

They are ignoring Havgradot's Law:

"Numbers pulled out of one's ass are always subject to signifigant rounding errors."

Aimless, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

Rationality: You'll practice many specific techniques (e.g. Fermi calculations, applying Bayes' theorem and cognitive biases to daily life, seeing how using fungibility can boost your goal achievement); develop a map of your rationality strengths and gaps; and learn how to continue learning rationality after the program.

Meanwhile, on some cars... (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 30 April 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

would really like to know how to apply Bayes' theorem to daily life. Would need a big lookup table for prior and conditional probabilities of real-life events.

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 30 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

using fungibility can boost your goal achievement, cant wait

lag∞n, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

i do want to say that the rationality people, while a little eccentric, have 100000x more actual stuff to offer than the awesomeness vendors featured in the main body of this thread

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

everyone has a cult that they're favorably inclined towards

Mordy, Monday, 30 April 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

if you were forced to make a decision based SOLELY on the people, and NOT take in to consideration the accommodations, parties, or drugs, who would you rather spend a weekend with:

  • Burning Man people
  • Awesomeness Fest people

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

Burning Man, without question

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know if those are separable

mh, Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, the people and the accommodations/location/parties/drugs

mh, Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

was going to say Burning Man immediately, but the ladies of Awesomeness Fest are pretty hot

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i dunno... i kicked it w/ a grip of burners last nite and i might have to pick awesomeness fest ppl

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

not sure which group is more homogenous, though... your burner posse might not be indicative of the thing as a whole

mh, Monday, 30 April 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

eh that's a good point, burning man is literally 100's of times bigger than awesomeness fest

however there is def a type of person who you know who i'm talking about when i say "burners"

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM1a7qBgL2c

piscesx, Monday, 30 April 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

I feel like awesomenessfest has a lot of people in hotel convention areas in chair watching awesome stuff on stage, whereas if you get tired of interacting or listening to burners you can ride your bike around the desert or w/e

mh, Monday, 30 April 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

based SOLELY on the people, and NOT take in to consideration the accommodations, parties, or drugs

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

Burning Man stereotypes are funny

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

lol shakey is a secret burner

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

idk if you can separate them, though! like, are we talking about the people they would be at these events, or the same random people just like, standing around in my living room?

mh, Monday, 30 April 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i'm talking about spending a weekend with either in a neutral setting

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

if it were burning man vs. awesomeness fest i'd prob pick burning man

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

everyone has a cult that they're favorably inclined towards

am hearing this to the tune of "everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around" jsyk

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link

I hung out w/some Burning Man people and learned that they can stoke a wood-burning stove, roast some amazing chicken, and drink whiskey. Some of them had awesome stories and were hilarious and some of them were socially retarded. Just like ilx! I have another aquaintance who when asked about burning man told me about her lovers. So there's a down side, obv.

Meanwhile, on some cars... (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

if it were burning man vs. awesomeness fest i'd prob pick burning man

i am planning on going to both this year

J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link

If there was any remaining uncertainty about the scumminess of Internet marketing

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/2984893/scamworld-get-rich-quick-schemes-mutate-into-an-online-monster

raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

Werner Erhard's first interview in two decades

The conversation drifts back to integrity and I want to know if seeing it as a factual rather than moral matter makes people behave worse. Surely, I suggest, most people act better when they are following inherited or religious values.
“I don’t buy that for one second. Godammit, Susie, do your research!”
He brings his fist down on to the table and I start to wonder who this Susie is, who makes him so cross.

(the writer's name is Lucy)

dell (del), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.wernererhard.com/integrity.html

The mastery of life includes integrity. Integrity is the process of cleaning up the mess you made. We made a whole bunch of agreements and didn’t keep them. I said I wanted to be a chemist and never kept that agreement. I only made that agreement with myself, but I am very important in my life. So I have to get my agreement that it is alright to let that agreement go. Once I do that, the agreement ceases to exist. I start to look at the things that I agreed that I wanted to be, do and have, and find out that it’s all right not to be, do and have those now, and the agreements go.

I’ve also made some agreements with other people and I will have to handle those agreements. I’ll have to say to whomever I made the agreement, "Look, I made an agreement with you and what I’d like to do now is not to keep that agreement. I’d like to know what you need in order to be willing to accept that."

^^^this is from what is supposed to be the cutting edge of business ethics, according to Werner Erhard and Michael Jensen, and their acolytes

He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

I love Werner. He's such an engaging lunatic.

Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

This is probably the best bit form the interview:

And then he says: “Look, I’m going to do something with you we do in the training. I’m going to ask you where you are, and you are going to say, ‘Here.’ ”

So we do this, and then he asks: “And you are always here, right?”

No, I say, I’ve never been here before. He looks annoyed.

“But you are here. Where you are, Lucy, this object you call Lucy, is here.”

I nod.

“And where Werner is, is there.”

I agree.

“You do see me, do you not? Where is Lucy-seeing-Werner happening?”

On the back of my retina, I say. He shakes his head.

“What you told me is your theory about seeing. I want to know where you seeing Werner is happening. Point.”

I duly point to my brain.

“You have no idea what’s in there, woman!” Erhard jabs an angry finger in my direction. “Godammit, Susie, your seeing Werner is happening where Werner is.”

He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

amazing link, silby!!! still getting through it and the embedded videos but:

http://i.imgur.com/Lqx7w.png

♆ (gr8080), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link


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