White trick-or-treaters in blackface: C/D?

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sorry, that was an x-post. A few of the posts above seem to conflate drag and transvestisism (or whatever the noun is). Not the same thing at all..

hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

he said 'choke on', not suck on. i would've thought anyone would not want to choke, regardless of what it is they're choking on and the whys.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess then you could substitute cock for....beernuts?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I was being a little bit flip, steve... wrong thread for it, maybe.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I understand the terms "drag" and "transvestism" are not synonymous, but what is the distinction? If a man lives "as a man" and dresses up on weekends to perform at a drag show, is practicing drag or transvestism? As distinct from men who dress up as chick for laffs, as well as distinct from men living "as women."

elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i would've thought anyone would not want to choke, regardless of what it is they're choking on and the whys

your assumption would be wrong, for i know several people who quite enjoy choking on cock

elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess then you could substitute cock for....beernuts?
-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...), November 1st, 2005.

...and I'll reflect on this the next time I suck on a beernut.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I understand the terms "drag" and "transvestism" are not synonymous, but what is the distinction? If a man lives "as a man" and dresses up on weekends to perform at a drag show, is practicing drag or transvestism? As distinct from men who dress up as chick for laffs, as well as distinct from men living "as women."
-- elmo (elmo.oxyge...), November 1st, 2005.

The situation you give is "drag", if I'm understanding your question correctly. The distinction is that the one is for "show" and the other is for more personal need.

I still don't really see that there's anything intrinsically offensive in a man wearing a dress. If it IS used to mock, that's another scenario entirely.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO ACTUALLY CHOKE ON COCK ARE SICKO FREAKS AND MUST BE STOPPED.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I can think of precisely one case where a white dude dressing up as Ben Wallace has worked:

http://www.hrwiki.org/images/d/d9/StrongMad_BenWallace.PNG

disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

hey stelfox, choke on me wang

jdubz (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

On a more (attempted; failed) serious note there is definitely a post-South Park douchetarian "fuck you, I do what I want" anti-PC backlash element to a lot of things people of my generation consider worth fucking with in the pursuit of Boffo Laffs, because being "sensitive" of "other cultures" is for "fags". Just not sure how seven-year-olds fit into it. (Dumbshit parents? Another story.)

disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

the attitude that leads to avoiding actually vocalizing offensive words (vs. just indicating them with stuff like 'N*****' or 'f4g') is part and parcel with the attitude that has people convinced that God prefers being written as G-D

This is precisely what I mean: bad analogies.

-- Alfred Soto (sotoal...) (webmail), Today 10:18 AM. (Alfred Soto) (later) (link)

Explain to me how this is a bad analogy.

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean a**logy.

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Unlike "nigger" or "fag," "God" is not an offensive word -- and I'm a proud atheist!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

disco violence OTM

xpost There is at least one religion where it's sacrilegious to write the name of God fully. It might not be offensive to you, but it is to them.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

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scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

So is Darrell Hammond being racist when he dons blackface and does his Jesse Jackson impersonation?

elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a good thing this kid didn't go as God Shamgod.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

So is Darrell Hammond being racist when he dons blackface and does his Jesse Jackson impersonation?

Just unfunny like just about everything else on that show.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I got in a small altercation with a guy in blackface yesterday, but there was a reason: this guy couldn't claim to be ignorant of "historical context" and such, insofar as he'd actually drawn in the "comically" large blackface lips. Also: this was exactly 50% of his costume, the other 50% being a big-ass plastic clock medallion. I dunno: if he was supposed to be Flav, you'd think he could have found a track suit, right?

To be honest I think my annoyance has a lot to do with method. If someone's supposed to be a specific black person, and they've done a decent/realistic job with the makeup, that's not so bothersome. When people do their faces in all-around jet black apart from the lips, they look like minstrels and piss me off. When people just smear shoe polish around their faces like that's really, really hilarious, that pisses me off even more.

NB I sometimes think people who get offended by Apu are dipping into the backward-racist category: Apu doesn't really have any negative stereotypes associated with him! I mean, cooking him up for the purpose of running the convenience store is a little obvious, but beyond that they've made him pretty much the most dignified character on the show -- cf when his religion gets classified as "other" and he says "I am Hindu, there are nearly a billion of us."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

READ ONE OLD TESTAMENT

captin crunchheart (dr g), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, I guess he is the only character who comes in for a little racial stereotyping, but they pretty quickly moved him past that, and the stereotyping isn't really "bad" unless you think there's something wrong with working at a convenience store, having an accent, or wearing 1970s immigrant pants (which I guess they should have updated five or six seasons in).

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder if the reasons an adult, or especially a child, would wear blackface, or otherwise imitate the physical appearance of a famous black person, could go beyond simple racial stereotyping to something a little more complex. playing with racial identities in the sense of "dressing up" as another race could either enforce racial stereotypes or be a means to attempt transcending them, however clumsily. "how would i look/feel if my skin was black and i had a big afro?" etc.

the kid is obviously reacting to and absorbing the media he is growing up around. there are probably basketball player posters all over his room. maybe he is trying to inhabit that space, to bridge the gap between his white suburban existence and his black sports heroes.

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

… check out Deuteronomy. Also, talk to an orthodox Jew.

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

To be honest I think my annoyance has a lot to do with method. If someone's supposed to be a specific black person, and they've done a decent/realistic job with the makeup, that's not so bothersome. When people do their faces in all-around jet black apart from the lips, they look like minstrels and piss me off. When people just smear shoe polish around their faces like that's really, really hilarious, that pisses me off even more.

This is completely, totally and absolutely OTM.

Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Darrell Hammond's Jesse Jackson is, like many of his impersonations, way too mannered: he leans on gestures and tics instead of conveying a more fluid impression.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

When people do their faces in all-around jet black apart from the lips, they look like minstrels and piss me off.

That's what the kids looked like last night. Good-natured Ben Wallace appreciation by kids who don't know any better, yes, but also troubling negligence/ignorance on the part of the parents.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

the kid is obviously reacting to and absorbing the media he is growing up around. there are probably basketball player posters all over his room. maybe he is trying to inhabit that space, to bridge the gap between his white suburban existence and his black sports heroes.

that and his parents dropped $100 on a ben wallace jersey.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, true. im obviously interpreting a best case scenario.

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

But Darrell Hammond's Bill Clinton is really good!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

And the fake afros were much larger, very exaggerated.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm glad that most of his screentime is taken up by being The Anchorguy now.

It's too easy to picture an SNL writers' meeting where all the funny scripts have been read and everyone's in a good mood, and then Hammond stands up to say, "Hey, what if Donald Trump made a guest appearance on a soap opera?", chilling down the entire room.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

That's what the kids looked like last night. Good-natured Ben Wallace appreciation by kids who don't know any better, yes, but also troubling negligence/ignorance on the part of the parents.

You know Andy, you could have avoided all of the fighting and nonsense on this thread by SAYING THAT at the beginning!

Dan ("Synthetic Skin Tone" = "Blackfaced Minstrel"???) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, it was early.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

And I was listening to Brand Nubian.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/pistonspumpkins019.jpg

This whole debate could have been avoided if only the kid had carved a Ben Wallace pumpkin instead of wearing the costume.

So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Next you PC fucks are going to complain about devil costumes being offensive to christians.

dressing as hitler = bad
dressing in a KKK hood = bad
dressing in minstrel blackface = bad

White kid dressing in dark makeup as a specific popular black basketball player on Halloween = who gives a shit? It's Halloween, and it's not a stereotype! I don't see any connection between a halloween tradition of dressing up, and the stereotyped minstrel culture that had it's heyday in what, the 40's, and hasn't been popular or acceptable for generations.

I want to hear what you think about this one. I dressed as a mexican bandito for halloween. I did that because I just happened to have an inflatable cactus and an authentic vintage mexican sombrero laying around (that was in my grandma's basement.) I wore a rug for a poncho, a gun and a fake mustache too. I wasn't able to acquire a bullet bandolier. So I bought 10 cans of refried beans, cut off the labels and turned them into a bandolier.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you also eat Fritos?

J (Jay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

(The Rasheed Wallace pumpkin was much, much cooler though.)

So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I think a Jesus costume would be more offensive than a devil costume, those people got it all wrong.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.aspfaq.com/fark/hitler.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess my Virgin Mary costume of Halloween 2000 would have been even more offensive.

elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, what if Donald Trump made a guest appearance on a soap opera?

Umm, he did make a guest appearance on a soap opera. Just, you know, sayin'...

captin crunchheart (dr g), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(if my next GIS reveals a minstrel wearing bunny ears, I'm going to hit the reset button for the internet.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I understand everything now:

Everything is offensive to somebody. Full stop.

In fact, my incomplete sentence above just offended the National Grammar Society... Oh! The horror!

I mean Jesus Fucking Christ, what is this world coming to. Oh, wait... I mean golly gosh, no, wait, I mean...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahahaha that gif always kills me.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I was Jesus for Halloween a few years ago. I saw a few other Jesi on Santa Monica Blvd. that night as well.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link


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