peggy's purse faux pas was the capper on a kind of overall misfire on her part -- trying to reach out but really making everything about herself. I love glimpses into unguarded peggy's mind, but dawn was clearly hesitant to trust her and peggy was kind of bulldozing over her the whole conversation. which is unflattering to peggy but a totally worthwhile thing to highlight imo, the different levels of privilege occurring within SCDP itself.
― techno pink (reddening), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
Like we know we can trust Peggy, but her boozy "don't worry about it" attitude when Dawn asks her not to tell Don...it wasn't convincing at all.
― techno pink (reddening), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
by my count Roger's tally for bribing people in the office into doing things for him is up to $1410 so far this season
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, kinda hoping this becomes a running gag.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
trying to reach out but really making everything about herself
yeah def. and projecting her own career path/hopes and dreams onto Dawn in a way that was unintentionally really condescending. thinking that every secretary secretly wants to be a copywriter, etc
thought it was pretty well done the way the "white people problems" media anxiety over the student nurse murders overshadowed the riots. bumping it off the cover of Life magazine and Peggy saying "but you're not a nurse" ... oh.
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
the Don dream kinda ruined the episode for me tbh. just lame.
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, loved this. getting expensive for roger to get his way.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't think the Don-dream thing was so bad but the whole "sick fever dream of cheating/murder" was a total Sopranos rehash
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
loved the Peggy and Dawn scenes, so uncomfortable. wondering if Dawn is gonna get some actual background/characterization at some point
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
$1410 so far this season
Isn't that about $7-8,000 in 2012 dollars?
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
but the whole "sick fever dream of cheating/murder" was a total Sopranos rehash
well yeah. that's why it sucked. sort of been done to death.
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
the "I am so irresistable, even when totally sick" thing telegraphed it a bit
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
nice character bit: michael's moral revulsion when others found the murders exciting didn't prevent him from exploiting that excitement in his "dark" cinderella pitch.
that was pretty well done.
the attempts to allude to the murders and make it a theme through the rest of the episode, I didn't think it really added up to anything. "she escaped by hiding under the bed" --> Sally sleeps under the couch, Don stuffs a corpse under his bed
― dmr, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
that's the ongoing "all this stuff means something; see the connections?" show-and-don't-go madmen trademark
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
because I still envision a horrible future for Sally, that shot where she looks at the bottle of pills felt like it should have been underscored with a DUN-DUN-DUNNNN musical sting.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone wanna give a wiki link to the murders? I don't know much about American history of nurse killers.
― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Here's the lurid version that Henry's mother would be a fan of:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/speck/index_1.html
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
was familiar with but had largely forgotten about Speck.
o_0 at the prison video ref'd in the wiki tho
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
I remember seeing the part of that video aired by some Bill Kurtis program in the 90s.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
btw what did Dawn's note say...? All I could make out was "thanks for your generosity" or something
"sorry for putting you out", I think?
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
would just like to say the bit where Peggy got up on the couch and folded her legs under her, with hands in her lap, ready to confess = A+
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
i did NOT know about speck, what a fucked up story.also wtf wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_rapists
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
American rapistsStay away from meeee
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
aaaanyway we all know about this already right
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
More than that! $50 to the secretary in the debut, $1100 to Harry same ep, and $410 to Peggy last night
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Just wanted to point out that the show must have a product placement deal w/Bugles, as Mother Francis was eating them while watching tv just like FatBetty.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
there's always been tons of product placement on this show
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
ha i though the bugles was a nice link between Betty and Mother Francis (as was "your mother is obsese.")
― ryan, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
Bugles: Fat People Like 'Em!tm
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
anyone else feel robbed of at least a season's worth of potboilery baby daddy drama by joan's dumping the motherfucker already?
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
you misspelled "saved from"
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
anyone else think that the show's treatment of betty is sort of shabby/creepy and indicative of certain issues on the part of its creator(s)?
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
xp lol, i guess so
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
and yes, i agree with you
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think you could definitely make a case that this show has "mommy" issues... in contrast to Don (who's shown more or less being a dad who at least loves his children), pretty much all the mothers on the show have been portrayed in a pretty negative light.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
BettyPeggy's motherHenry's motherJoan's mother (altho in the last couple episodes she doesn't come off so badly...?)
Mona Sterling seemed to have her shit together, I guess
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Campbell's ice-cold mother too
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
how are the daddies in general, besides absent? the only ones coming to mind are pete's dead one and lane's violent one.
― Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Betty's dad was pretty cool.
― polyphonic, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
Don's drunk, violent one
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
Trudy's dad seems manipulative but not entirely evil. at least responsible and caring towards his daughter.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
The women on the show are just pretty faces or they are Joan, Betty, Peggy, Sally and now Mother Francis This is why I was hoping Megan has some major character development. Hate that Betty's just sort of stagnated with a lame weight issue so far. Would have appreciated more Sally time instead of the Don dream.
― *tera, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
The women on the show are just pretty faces or they are Joan, Betty, Peggy, Sally and now Mother Francis
mmm no. Trudy, Megan. Wouldn't exactly call the LIFE mag woman a "pretty face" lol
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
oh you ref'd Megan - sorry. Trudy isn't major but I do think she's past the "pretty face" accusation
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
trying to reach out but really making everything about herself.
yes--it wasn't just peggy glancing at the purse. dawn looked uncomfortable with much of their conversation, esp the latter half. i think part of this may be peggy's self-centeredness but also a reaction to what i think might be perceived by dawn as a kind of uncomfortable intimacy. not sexual intimacy, just.... well just as peggy probably doesn't have much experience hanging out with black folks, i wonder if dawn has much experience hanging out with white folks. and by going from 1 to 11 on the relax-o-meter peggy probably made dawn pretty uncomfortable. the purse thing was just the capper.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Peggy was doing a lot of projection/nervous white person stuff. Eager to spotlight their similarities without actually talking about race etc
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
that's the ongoing "all this stuff means something; see the connections?" show-and-don't-go madmen trademark― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Monday, April 9, 2012 11:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, this. sometimes it comes together nicely just on the level of patterning, sometimes it actually means something, other times it seems like they are trying too hard to signal their "quality" status by hitting you over the head with this meaningless parallelism. i think this last episode fit more in category 1 but YMMV. the worst instance of this had to be that "beautiful girls" episode.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 9, 2012 5:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, the moment peggy shifted from "i know what it's like to be the only one of your kind" (OK, sure) to "and i know all about your ambitions and concerns" (uh..) dawn began to look uncomfortable.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link