I'm talking about all of the mothers and fathers on the show, regardless of age, as people were upthread.
^^^this, does not jibe with this:They get to flee into Manhattan, stylish offices and casting calls. They're also neglectful, alcoholic, philandering and sometimes violent.
the only generation depicted fleeing to Manhattan's stylish offices and casting calls is Don's generation.
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
Don's dad may have been violent, alcoholic, neglectful and philandering but that was obviously unrelated to Manhattan lol
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
The show's refusal to let her grow up or learn from experience like, at all, is its worst part imo
Work with/know plenty of people in real life who won't grow up or learn from experience, and its not their writers holding them back
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
No way is Don a sociopath. The man's got the full range of emotional responses, plus extra kinks, but he's understandably shy about showing them given his era, his past as an impersonation of a dead man, and a man who saw nasty shit while he was in Korea 9inlcuding being blown up, which would give anyone PTSD)
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know Shakey, I think it's pretty heavily implied (by the show, by history) that previous generations acted this way too, whether in New York, London, wherever. Yes Don's dad was a poor, mean motherfucker -- which was kind of my point to begin with, that the show doesn't let the fathers off any easier, in general. Again, I think Don superficially comes across as a better father because of the era-sensitive social role his gender allows him, where creeping distance isn't called neglect.
He's not one of the fathers mentioned above, but Pete's new train buddy is such an obvious dickwad, and he spells out the accepted of-its-time working man's response to family life in such a methodical way... it's like a Mad Men mission statement, all our people are still shit, just different.
― RCMP, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but when the "people" are fictional, it's always the writers holding them back. betty can't catch a break, and the only thing it seems to serve is the writers' distaste for the character.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
you have to wonder if jan. jones wonders what she's got herself into (aside from a nice paycheck of course)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago) link
new answers: a fatsuit
Gerhard Richter painting of the nurses, btw:http://www.gerhard-richter.com/art/paintings/photo_paintings/detail.php?5770
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
The song "The Ballad of TV Violence" from the first '77 self titled Cheap Trick album was originally called "The Ballad of Richard Speck" and is about Richard Speck. Their label made them change the track to "The Ballad of TV Violence" because they thought "The Ballad of Richard Speck" was too offensive.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28c5i6e1r1qi0d7lo6_500.gif
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28c5i6e1r1qi0d7lo7_500.gif
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
Tminus how many episodes until Peggy sleeps with Ginsberg
I said pretty much exactly this during Ginsberg's first scene. He's exactly the kind of borderline insane dick she ends up going for.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
WTF that was Madchen Amick that Don strangled?!?!
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
She looks exactly the same!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
Someone photoshop Don peeking from behind bed post a la Bob.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
or comatose, sitting in a wheelchair wearing a party hat.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
Put that scene, the tractor accident, and a few others together, you could make a pretty convincing fake trailer about Mad Men as a horror movie.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
add:
Lane receiving a beatingJoan getting rapedany scene with the creepy neighbor kid
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
Betty shooting those birds
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much any close up on a character looking sad and desperate
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
Don crying after hearing about Anna's death + ghost Anna
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Whitman bro dangling from the rafters
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Mother Frances wielding that knife.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Don getting clunked over the head by the hitchhiker.
― michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Pete with his gun.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bKhcK9Skhes/TMyqxLpmMaI/AAAAAAAACRw/5sdQnn-pjSg/s400/600px-mad107-rifle2.jpg
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
MADMEN
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
Sterling barfing
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
Don stalking the teacher in his car
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
The Creature from the Black Lagoon pitching an Esso ad
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
Don's dream was a low point for this show
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
might actually have been the worst episode
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
he was naked but they blacked out his "dick whitman".
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
loved the dream. spooky, bewildering, suited the episode (which i thought was pretty great overall). rewatched it with my gf last night. she freaked the fuck out @ the dream sequence and i had to bite my tongue hard to keep from spoil(er)ing it.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
When Don brought the Barbie back into the house-Sally's hysterical screaming.
― *tera, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that was wack. i thought the episode was good overall (better than the first three, anyway) and i got so excited when he killed the woman then felt so cheated. this manipulative bullshit feels old hat.
― jed_, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
you seriously didn't realise it was a dream the whole time? that said, it would have been cool if the show turned into The Fugitive
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
the thing I wondered about was ... do people really have service elevators in their kitchen?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
not only service elevators, but service elevators behind weird semi-concealed wallpapered doors?
i'm surprised no one else mentioned dong draper (or lack thereof), have we no libidos?
― michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
I guess the shots in which it should've shown up didn't register as such to me
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
xp if you had a service elevator wouldn't you hide it behind a wallpaper door?
maybe he dreamt the service elevator
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
i figured it was a door to a back hallway in which she would find the service elevator, not a straight-up elevator door in the kitchen
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah, dream sequence, who knows
I think I would've been annoyed at the fever dream if it didn't align so well, thematically, with the rest of the episode.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
that was one of the more annoying things about it
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
Dong Draper's Inverted Clam (DJ PEG.g.y. Refix)
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
idg why you guys are so annoyed by the dream?
― D-40, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 09:04 (twelve years ago) link
thought this was a v good ep
dream was convincing & i've 100% had anxious fever dreams where i felt like a horrible human being & woke up to find out it was completely false
― D-40, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 09:05 (twelve years ago) link