So far this is my favorite episode.
― *tera, Monday, 23 April 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
lol that happened to me too...took a second to realize it wasn't a shot of young sally
― High powered Texas lawyer (symsymsym), Monday, 23 April 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
"there were some shots of Jane in this episode that made her one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen."
no kidding; she also talked and had a lot more personality in this episode than I ever remember seeing. the shots of her on the bed at the end were stunning.
i really like megan.
― akm, Monday, 23 April 2012 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
great episode, though i thought the 3-way bad relationship parallelism was maybe a little forced? roger tripping was classic though, and i loved the hojos detour. such a weird and great design scheme. don is a flaming fucking asshole btw.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
This is definitely the best episode of the season; likely top five for the series.A/B/C plots all excellent.About time; I was getting less and less engaged and a show like this was just what I needed to remind me why I watch Mad Men.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
I thought the opposite of Jane. Sort of. While she will always be beautiful I thought she was more serious than she had been in other episodes and sad. I thought she was a very good actress to look less attractive not because she is but because of hat she was emoting: sadness, confusion. I remember thinking she was so gorgeous when she first appeared as the hot secretary. This episode had her looking slightly vintage Star Trek vixenish but jaded and that eclipsed everything, for me at least.
― *tera, Monday, 23 April 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry: *what not "hat" she was emoting....
― *tera, Monday, 23 April 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link
Wonder if they are just really going to do away with her so quickly or the exact opposite and show her more now that she and Roger are quits.
― *tera, Monday, 23 April 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird to see don crying again
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 23 April 2012 06:41 (twelve years ago) link
i liked this episode a lot. no pete, but i'm sure that will be rectified soon.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 23 April 2012 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
What a weird episode! Also my uh…version had 10 minutes of a Lifetime show spliced in. Which was extra confusing.
― raw feel vegan (silby)
Ha, mine too.
Roger on acid should've been funnier IMO.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
I thought that was the right amount of funny. My favorite part was when he responded to the professor but his lips weren't moving.
― dan selzer, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
amazing episode. up there with the best of the series imo.
the trip scene started out a little corny (orchestra playing out of the vodka bottle) but as it went on it was pretty well done I thought. the end of it where they got really deep into their relationship while they were coming down felt real.
― dmr, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of that, didn't Timothy Leary already look a little bit more "counterculture" by 1966?
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't really buying Peggy giving some random guy a handjob in a movie theater just because she made a bad pitch
― dmr, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
She'd had a fight with her bf, lost it at her pitch, decided to play hooky, smoked some random guy's joint, and maybe just felt like being bad. Peggy is all about behaving out of character when no one expects.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
amazing episode. the handjob, the acid, the sorbet, the non-linear plot = LOVE
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
Handjob Peggy (comes with everything you see here) was less to me about her feeling bad and more to me about her wanting to be desired and in control of the situation.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
― Johnny Fever,
So that was actually supposed to be Leary?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Someone either called him Leary or my closed captioning (I had the dishwasher running.. too noisy) ID'd him as such.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
Roger said at one point "Well, Dr. Leary, I for one find your product boring" but I thought he was speaking in the abstract, not literally addressing the prof
― dmr, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
Roger namechecks Leary as "Thanks Mr. Leary but I find your product to be lacking" but I really think he was just being urbane and facetious. That was DEFINITELY not Leary they were tripping with.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
i'm xposting like crazy today
A note:
(By the by, the host was not supposed to be LSD pioneer Dr. Timothy Leary, despite Roger's joke; his character's name is credited as Sandy Orcutt, which is an anagram for "Candy Tutors," whatever that means.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Oh okay that makes more sense. xp
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
otm, i saw it as her wanting to show dominance SOMEHOW, since it had been denied her during the pitch meeting.
― supreme sundae (reddening), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
Oops! I was cleaning & watching so I didn't get Roger's Leary joke :(
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
otm, i saw it as her wanting to show dominance
yeah this is how I read it. lion imagery kinda the giveaway here.
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
i lolled at blunted Peggy's born free trip
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
nobody's mentioned this yet but Ginberg's Holocaust-orphan story was o_0
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
monologue rather
Yeah wasn't sure what to take from that
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it was. In a normal week, that probably would've been the standout moment, but this week I'd forgotten about it already.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
Also why do people no longer give handjobs to strangers in movie theaters?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
I was wondering how historically accurate this was -- I was under the impression that babies born in the camps were mostly killed at birth.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
A few probably got through for various reasons.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
the impact of ginsberg's story was deadened a bit because I was half-convinced peggy was dreaming during it. she was high and doing crazy shit, she fell asleep and woke up to don's enigmatic phone call, ginsberg talks about being a martian in a scene shot entirely in reflection...I was too incredulous to believe it was really happening until the nonlinear structure of the episode became apparent.
― supreme sundae (reddening), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah and the way the monologue shifted from jokey sarcasm to earnest confessional was almost imperceptible, really well done
think this is probably true - or a late arriving prisoner was pregnant and didn't deliver til after the camps were liberated or something...? I can think of a few scenarios where this would have happened. but I guess it remains to be seen how true this backstory is.
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
here's an example
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.aish.com/ho/p/48952026.html
On Dec. 21 Bein felt labour pains. She climbed to the top bunk in her barrack, and there, aided by two other inmates, gave birth in secret to a baby girl. The infant was tiny, weighing only one kilogram; she was too weak to cry but strong enough to drink the meagre offering from her mother's breast, and somehow survived the next few weeks in hiding.
The only other infant survivor, according to Auschwitz museum records, was a Hungarian boy, Gyorgy Faludi, born the day of liberation with the help of a Russian doctor. Soviet Red Army troops liberated the camp on Jan. 27, 1945. Baby and mother were among the survivors, and they were an unusual sight -- indeed, almost unique.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
Ginsberg didn't specify which camp he was born at did he...?
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
not at all, just providing another story
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
WOW. Fucking AWESOME episode.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
Also, bravo on the LSD scenes. I hate hate hate when shows do drug scenes, they are always full of bad show-offy lousy visual effects and this was just so perfect, like that bit with the cigarette.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
you knew someone was gonna take acid at some point (Peggy? Sally?) and there were a million things that could have gone wrong with it but they REALLY delivered with Roger
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
sound editing was bonkers - the cross-mixing of Pet Sounds with Mel Torme (I think it was?), the baseball stuff, the split-conversations
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I think it was a good choice to convey the trip mostly w/ sound instead of visuals
megan was great in the scene w. the orange sherbet
― dmr, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
ginsburg may have been lying as well, who knows.
― akm, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
AV Club also seems confused on the Leary tip, but I really don't understand how anyone can not think it's just a joke. Like if you were at Kentucky Fried Chicken and you were all "This chicken leaves something to be desired, Col. Sanders" it doesn't mean you are having lunch with Col. Sanders. Jeez.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
that dude didn't look anything like Leary. And this is what, summer of '66? Leary was already pretty big by that point - being targeted by the feds, conducting televised debates etc. I don't think he was doing NY dinner parties.
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link