gracias!
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, they had to take the ads out of the article. Also, is it just me, or does Mary Wells look a bit like Betty/January Jones?
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
Betty became a sympathetic character a while back, but she still acts upon her worst impulses. That doesn't make her a cartoon villain. That makes her human.
yeah, but other at least partially loathsome (human) characters on the show get to act on a much wider variety of impulses, and the show seems to treat at least some of their behavior with a measure of sympathy and respect. for a while now, betty's just been getting hammered.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
sure she's human but she's consistently the dumbest and most short-sighted human on offer. it's pretty conspicuously and i don't really like it either.
― goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
If Betty's character was never seen again in the series that ep would've been a damn good sendoff.
― poxen, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
she's consistently the dumbest and most short-sighted human on offer
Harry
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
Feel like we haven't seen Betty's whole arc yet but I have a hunch they are going somewhere other than "lol Betty." honestly still her character very interesting.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but harry's dumb in a "basically decent", slobbery dog sort of way. he's not made to seem like a horrible, evil toad during every second he appears onscreen. he's mostly a harmless dork, and the show treats him with a measure of compassion (he even got to boast during the last episode that he's running his department alone and that it's doing well - something we have no reason to doubt).
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
harry is a dipshit but he knows how to do something!
― goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol Harry? decent? like when he was describing banging the boss's wife? perving out on teenage Stones fans? dude is a buffoon and nothing but.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Joan can do, and has done, his job
Really don't think there's anything stopping you from feeling compassion for Betty though?
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
I feel pity for Betty more than anything
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
I think the real problem with Betty (the character) is that she lacks charisma other than her beauty. Makes it harder to overlook the bad things she does (which are all petty compared to the others, tbh)--that overlooking we constantly do with the other characters.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
I get the feeling the show people would be glad to see Betty go, but AMC won't let them dump the character because thwy feel January Jones is too big a name to let go.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
nah, Betty and Sally's relationship is gonna be great story fodder.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah Sally and Betty are heading for something epic.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, he's crass, a dumbly lecherous boob, but he's not out to hurt anyone. we've never seen him do anything evil. in this respect, he's much more decent-seeming than don, pete, roger or betty.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
dumb lecherous boobs are their own special brand of evil imho
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
I know we've been over this, but the others all have redeeming qualities
― ryan, Monday, May 14, 2012 4:36 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think this might be due to limitations of january jones as an actress.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i tend to blame the writers, but that has the ring of truth bomb
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
i guess it's to the shows credit that we all see the characters so very differently
There were hints early on of, if not charisma, then something more compelling. I am thinking in particular of the scene with the air rifle.
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
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Okay, the Sally thing is worth it to keep Betty around, but otherwise Betts is getting the scorn stick harder than the others.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m40yeuGBMS1qbvaudo1_500.gif
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
so glad we have #1 board feminist contenderizer around to inform us how a sad character on a tv show is an example of gross misogyny
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
lol so what this is the jewish season?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://1ski.me/share/31days/mazaltovcocktail.png
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy is 1966 seen as particularly significant for Jews in NYC/USA?
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
not that i can think of off-hand
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
cool to hear that smog thing was a real event
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
Mad Men, now on its fifth award-winning season of alluding to real events!
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
"i promise, bubbeleh."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
betty eating a cubic inch of stuffing was good stuff
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
I thought January Jones was really good in this episode.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
Betty struggling with her body image is the first time I've ever rly identified w her as a character
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure ive said this before in past season's threads but betty/sally remind me way too much of my grandmother/mother. anything but cartoon imo.
nb this has lots to do with how my mom is pretty much exactly the same age as sally and my grandmother was exactly the same age as betty, but it has lots to do with other stuff too...
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
"it's ok, she's hungry"
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
xp your mom is 12?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
i just think she's getting the short end of the stick is all. i like her as a character, and it makes me wonder why the writers don't wanna cut her a little slack, let her have a little joy or love or victory.
i didn't accuse mad men misogyny, btw. i said that the treatment of betty reminds me of the way weeds treated cecila, which i called "borderline misogynist". was meant as a slam at weeds, not mad men.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
Six Day War only six months away - could coincide with the season finale?
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― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
Found Jones to be v likable on the ITAS show tonight
― Darin, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:54 (twelve years ago) link
were we supposed to sympathize with Megan/Don about the "ask about Anna" plot? I certainly didn't. Way to go, Betty!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 09:44 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if you are exactly supposed to sympathize with them, but you are certainly supposed to dislike Betty for it. And I think Betty was hoping Megan didn't know about Anna and that it would cause much more friction with Don.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:16 (twelve years ago) link
Betty has basically since maybe the middle of season 3 (and it was a slowly evolving process) been made more and more dislikable. Which is funny because going back to the first season I think I felt a lot of sympathy for her and I think the show initially was really good about balancing her character out. Whereas these days it's just more and more displays of her lousy parenting skills and a bunch of "woe is me" whining and little else.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:23 (twelve years ago) link
The thing is I actually liked her the most for a long time in this episode - right up to her pulling that despicable shit with Sally.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41pc0rhU71qzi80do1_r1_500.gif
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
This Jessica Pare photo from New York Magazine is maybe the most perfect recreation of the 60s the show has produced from any season. I just thought I was looking at an ad from 1966 initially.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m416dbYFle1qzoaqio1_r1_1280.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know how they get these performances out of that actress but that little mock-pout that sally does at the end of that gif is A++
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link